Recent ABF 16v threads regarding power

[F17BAD]

yeah thats nonsense, iv always had N/A and used to think same, old RS turbos used to come on boost late then run out of boost etc, my lil swift GTI would whistle on past them.

These days tho its a different ball game, the engine in mine comes on boost fast and it just keeps going, its bloody brilliant hahaha and i love it.. it was same in the mapped GTTDI i had

i just think spending all that money to try get close to 200hp is to much for too little   then to still get shown up at the lights buy a moded 20vt or even worse a Clio cup etc....

I don't like turbo engines.
I can see why manufacturers fit them...and I have a 260+ BHP TFSI in my Mk6 GTI and although it's OK...it's ultimately a typical turbo engine...frustrating.
It's more NA like than any other I've driven...but the on-off-on throttle transitions are awful. It's a turbo...that's just the way it is...it's not fluid to take down a back road and ultimately, frustrating.

yeah but put said engine in a car thats not as heavy as a house and/or get a good map done and its a diff ball game...

[Ess_Three]

i hear you although the point i was making was, I think speanding what Ess Three has (almost 8k) and for that he has 200 bhp approx.. seems an expensive hobbie to me and not massive gains. great project granted.. Just for that money id want more bang for my buck

Lets put things in perspective here...
I bought the Anni 16v as a run about when I had just bought a new 8L S3...I liked the Anni...so begun to rweak it.
In saying that, I spent similar, if not more, taking the 8L S3 to as far as I could go on a K04 turbo - and the chassis to match...it ended up at 275-280BHP/330+ lb-ft reliable, and predictable.
so I've had tuned turbo cars too.

The 16v Golf is a hobby.

If I took up Golf, I'd have spent the same on golf Bats, Rupert The Bear trousers and extorsionate playing fees...it's a hobby. That's all. It keeps me amused when I'm bored.
And £8000+ over 10 years + really isn't an awful lot, is it?

[Gavv8]

This is the 8v vs 16v definitive thread. For anyone interested in 8v and 16V dyno analysis with graphs.

Click Here

Best 8v v 16v thread i've read so far, especially the explanations about the torque curve of the 16 v 8  and why they are the way they are.

[Ess_Three]

yeah but put said engine in a car thats not as heavy as a house and/or get a good map done and its a diff ball game...

You need to do your research!
260+ BHP is with a decent map.
The Mk6 is also lighter than a Mk5, and not as much heavier than a Mk3 as most imagine.
It also handles. Properly.

And it would show any Mk3 I know of, a clean pair of tail lights on ANY given road, ANY time.

It's just...a bit dull?
fine for an every day, fetch the shopping sort of car...but it's almost too easy.

[F17BAD]

8k seems alot but as you say spread over 8 years..

interested what you spent 8k on the S3 tho, i mean a remap on a bog standard engine is gonna be at least 250/260 and thats without exhaust etc, with all the other usual mods you will be looking at close to what you had but wont cost anything close to 8k ?  i mean iv done all the usual stuff to mine and having a custom map done this friday, total build cost including the 40k engine is around 5k mark including all mods etc  (still using K04 for now)

i drive a mk6 most days - not impressed sorry

[Ess_Three]

interested what you spent 8k on the S3 tho, i mean a remap on a bog standard engine is gonna be at least 250/260 and thats without exhaust etc, with all the other usual mods you will be looking at close to what you had but wont cost anything close to 8k ?  i mean iv done all the usual stuff to mine and having a custom map done this friday, total build cost including the 40k engine is around 5k mark including all mods etc  (still using K04 for now)

You are lucky to get over 250 genuine BHP from an AMK/BAM...and gettin the next 25-30 caused lots of problems - heat specifically, and trying to keep the heat down.
At 1.85 bar peak boost and 1.3 bar sustained the K04 is just a heat pump...so you need HUGE gains in IC efficiency to get small gains in usable power/torque.

Custom Forge FMIC and pipework
Custom Forge SMIC and pipework
Relocated DV
100 cell Cats
Exhaust
Ported manifolds & TB
Custom charge pipe
Custom remap
Modified airbox with cold air feed...

Then there was the Brembo brakes, Bilstein dampers, H&R springs, Neuspeed ARBs, Forge rear tie-bars, custom chassis set up with tweaked pivot points, 18" BBS RSII wheels etc

£8k didn't scratch the surface.

It was a hell of an S3 though...utterly ballistic in all weathers. But dull as dishwater.

i drive a mk6 most days - not impressed sorry

With what aspect?
It handles properly, goes well, is well built, nive inside...but the brakes are crap!

[F17BAD]

MK6 - does not feel well built, and i fint it a bit mundane, nothing wrong with it at all, in fact its a good car i guess it just does not excite me?
interior feel is not great at all, almost on a par with a Ford focus, no paint in the places you cant see either...

as for S3, well i have the AMK, Iv done all you have above (well the important parts and not waste of time stuff like DV relocation) plus i have no cat, K&N induction kit (relocated to behind bumper vent) custom FMI, Custom 3" stainless Downpipe onto a Jetex system, N249 delete and getting a custom map this friday at Carbon.
As i say, the bHP i get will be genuine so it will be interesting to see.  however i plan on a turbo upgrade next year.

i have seen genuine 270 with similar to what i have, granted their is a lot of bull sh!t dyno results around

[Ess_Three]

MK6 - does not feel well built, and i fint it a bit mundane, nothing wrong with it at all, in fact its a good car i guess it just does not excite me?

Mk6 IS mundane...however, still well screwed together, and with a vastly better chassis out of the box than ANY Mk3.
 

as for S3, well i have the AMK, Iv done all you have above (well the important parts and not waste of time stuff like DV relocation)

I suggest that if you were running high enough boost, you would see the need for a cold side relocation of the DV...because once you've had it stick a few times due to the silly heat the K04 produces when pushing 1.85 bar boost, you'd not want it happening again.
But maybe you aren't making anough boost/producing enough heat to warrant it?

plus i have no cat, K&N induction kit (relocated to behind bumper vent) custom FMI, Custom 3" stainless Downpipe onto a Jetex system, N249 delete and getting a custom map this friday at Carbon.
As i say, the bHP i get will be genuine so it will be interesting to see.  however i plan on a turbo upgrade next year.

i have seen genuine 270 with similar to what i have, granted their is a lot of bull sh!t dyno results around

I'd expect that figure, if not a few more.
275 genuine should be achievable if you can sustain enough boost and keep the charge air cool enough.

What sort of peak boost do you run?
I was delibetately running massive midrange to make the Haldex work and try to wake up a numb chassis.

If you aren't pushing much over 1.5 bar peak, you avoid many of the heat related problems....and probably making 280ish lb-ft?

[F17BAD]

Mk6 - really dont see the VW quality anymore, just my opinion

as for mine, its not getting mapped till friday, boost wise, spikes to around 16 - 17 psi, boosts to 15, holds around 11 /12 PSI

Iv looked into the DV relocation and its a complete waste of time (not my words just going by what some peopole who i trust have told me )
my DV is a 007.
One thing id like to swap out is the actuator for a forge item.

i forgot to mention i also bought a brand new MAF sensor (genuine audi) as the old one was failing. And obviously changed the plugs for nrew NGK platinum (Audi dealer supplied)

the dyno run and mapping session on friday should give me more info.

TBH im not so bothered about the final BHP results, im more bothered about it been set up right so the power is more usable. then i want a LSD and to swap out the FD in the box

[Ess_Three]

as for mine, its not getting mapped till friday, boost wise, spikes to around 16 - 17 psi, boosts to 15, holds around 11 /12 PSI

That's very modest boost.
Very sensible too for a FWD car with no LSD!
you should be able to retain at least 5psi more with your set-up.

Iv looked into the DV relocation and its a complete waste of time (not my words just going by what some peopole who i trust have told me )
my DV is a 007.
One thing id like to swap out is the actuator for a forge item.

I had a Forge DV on my S3. And it stuck due to the heat.
I'm not going to tell you that you need it.
What I will say is that once you've had it stick, you will want to stop it happening again.

Even with the strong optional spring, and mobil 1 grease...it still stuck with temperature related problems.
But, I was making a LOT more heat and making a LOT more boost.
 

i forgot to mention i also bought a brand new MAF sensor (genuine audi) as the old one was failing. And obviously changed the plugs for nrew NGK platinum (Audi dealer supplied)

I found Denco Irridium IK22s were the best for mine when pushing high boost.

the dyno run and mapping session on friday should give me more info.

Good luck. I'd expect you could tune that to givea good 270 BHP at the top, with the torque pegged back to 260-270 to aid traction through the midrange.
Should be good.

TBH im not so bothered about the final BHP results, im more bothered about it been set up right so the power is more usable. then i want a LSD and to swap out the FD in the box

Everyone is bothered!! :-)

Good idea on the Diff too...the bolt kit being very important at the sort of torque you run.
Why do you want to swap the FD with all that torque?
Go longer...or shorter to give wheelspin problems?