Recent ABF 16v threads regarding power

[Misky]

i hear you although the point i was making was, I think speanding what Ess Three has (almost 8k) and for that he has 200 bhp approx.. seems an expensive hobbie to me and not massive gains. great project granted.. Just for that money id want more bang for my buck

On a side note, its not easy adding turbos, and it was not easy to "slap" the S3 engine in mine  (if only it was  )

I know mate its only banta  I know from experiance that it wouldnt of been easy!
& it is an expensive hobby but then again most hobbys are! 

[Len]

Well when you have 40 years driving experience come back and tell me I'm wrong!

[Horney]

Some of us prefer NA to FI, I know I do. Turbos are great fun but the sound of a properly sorted NA lump being abused on a B-road is more my thing.

Nick

[tshirt2k]

Well when you have 40 years driving experience come back and tell me I'm wrong!

40 years. 

I would have thought with that much experience, you would have had better results with the plywood, filler and fiberglass! Is it the engineering that's involved that makes it cheating?? or are you talking about cheque book cars?

I'd like to see someone just "slap a turbo on" And get it running like "normal" car. Yes, forced induction gives you more power and torque, but it still needs to be useable. And thats down to component choice and mapping 

Has any "turbo" haters actually driven or been driven in, a properly mapped turbo car?

NASP is all very well and good, But it takes ALOT of time and skill testing hardware changes etc to get small gains. The thread in the link shows this. Especially on plenum engines.
Not that i'm knocking NA, but don't think its an easy task to get HP "numbers". £8k tells you its not.
Keep an eye on threads in CGTI. Real world analysis on these engines with G meter and dyno data to back it up.

Proof that there are no real 180hp ebay chipped, k&n filter cars as frequently posted on the forums.

[F17BAD]

Some of us prefer NA to FI, I know I do. Turbos are great fun but the sound of a properly sorted NA lump being abused on a B-road is more my thing.

Nick

Iv got a properly sorted NA in my Swift GTI, twin cam 16 valve aluminium engine with forged crank, forged pistons, fully custom mapped ECU by Superchips before they got big, tubular manifold, no cats, custom Blue flame exhaust, HKS cams etc etc, around 150 bhp and it flies...  revs to 9k and i love it so i know what you mean but the engine in my golf sounds amazing too, Turbo experience is great - sounds really good you should try it  much better than stuff like RS turbos etc of the 90's

[Horney]

I get that modern turbo lumps produce good power and are fun to drive, I've driven a fair few but I prefer to drive NA that's all.

Nick

[dom]

So is F/I Vs N/A the new 8v Vs 16v debate?

[tshirt2k]

This is the 8v vs 16v definitive thread. For anyone interested in 8v and 16V dyno analysis with graphs.

Click Here

[tweed]

f**k turbos!!! it's all about supercharging. been around for over a 100 years 

[Ess_Three]

yeah thats nonsense, iv always had N/A and used to think same, old RS turbos used to come on boost late then run out of boost etc, my lil swift GTI would whistle on past them.

These days tho its a different ball game, the engine in mine comes on boost fast and it just keeps going, its bloody brilliant hahaha and i love it.. it was same in the mapped GTTDI i had

i just think spending all that money to try get close to 200hp is to much for too little   then to still get shown up at the lights buy a moded 20vt or even worse a Clio cup etc....

I don't like turbo engines.
I can see why manufacturers fit them...and I have a 260+ BHP TFSI in my Mk6 GTI and although it's OK...it's ultimately a typical turbo engine...frustrating.
It's more NA like than any other I've driven...but the on-off-on throttle transitions are awful. It's a turbo...that's just the way it is...it's not fluid to take down a back road and ultimately, frustrating.