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Re: RAF
« Reply #50 on: 15 August 2011, 14:04 »
I sent a day with an armourer at Valley. God it was dull.


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Re: RAF
« Reply #51 on: 15 August 2011, 14:17 »
Where did you send the day?
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Re: RAF
« Reply #52 on: 15 August 2011, 14:50 »
Sorry Lez. Blackberry autocorrect FTW.

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Re: RAF
« Reply #53 on: 15 August 2011, 15:20 »
Wow! I don't like to be tarred with the sterotypical brush that most rockapes get done with! As I am/was different!

I was on 16Sqn yes rapier I know, not through choice! Had the pleasure of staying at honnington from graduation!

I was detatched to iraq for 5months, was about 10 of us rocks just working in our own little unit controlling fuel escorts and such

3months after my return was sent to the falklands for 4months
Then onto Afghan for a further 4months where I had the pleasure of working with some special people!

I left like I said because of increasing debt! I joined up at 18 earning 1300 take home per month, then woth 6 months basic training taking home 600........can you see where the debt came from? Missed direct debit payments going overdrawn etc!

Nevertheless I don't regret anything iv done!

Oh and by the way I aint thick etc etc! Like I said earlier I went in with quyalifications! My afco told me to go in as a weapons tech but I didn't want to

Sorry to be the cnut here but I took a 5k paycut to join up, I already had det, I took my car off the road, never went home and ploughed in my money to my debt. I cleared up all my debt within 6 months and I now own my own house, my own car, I have a credit card with a k on it at the moment only because I am going away in the next few weeks and thought I would treat myself. You did 3 dets on the bounce and still got into debt.. I know rocks are on the lower payband but theres big money to be saved while your away.

you took a 5k paycut? well if my maths serve me right i took a £8400 paycut. i didnt take my car off the road as i needed my car to visit relatives, and yes i went home when i could to see mates as i was only just over 120miles away. yes i done 3 dets on the bounce, and yes i totally agree with you about big money being saved while away, however when fighting to get out of debt and banks keep putting charges upon charges upon charges its a nasty spiral as im sure you well know!

for peoples information, as an sac while i was in iraq i was taking home £1100pm, and trying to keep a civil head on and getting twit faced every night (as our mentality was "you never know when your last meal/drink etc etc will be") why hold back? im not blaming the RAF Regt for anything or any of the situations i have been in as i wanted to do it and im glad i done it! and yes i would do it all over again!

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Re: RAF
« Reply #54 on: 15 August 2011, 15:43 »
I'll be honest I have a few people who work for me with debt, but my advice to them is they would be utterly stupid to leave, what with all of the perks and benefits that they will receive whilst in.

Average pay of an SAC whether it be tech or non-tech pay is £1000 pcm, and that's with his accommodation and food paid for, so in essence its all beer, car, and g/f (or b/f) money. 

I had a bloke on my trade training course in '96 bounce more cheques that Patrick Ewing could bounce a basketball.  He thought a cheque book was free cash, because the banks wouldn't submit it until he had money in his account.

Unfortunately that's the calibre of retard the Armed Forces attract.

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Re: RAF
« Reply #55 on: 15 August 2011, 15:57 »
I'll be honest I have a few people who work for me with debt, but my advice to them is they would be utterly stupid to leave, what with all of the perks and benefits that they will receive whilst in.

I didnt see any perks, and as the Regt was becomming progressively sh1te with jumped up cpls and new officers straight out of JROC being attached to my unit it was time to leave. and i was offered double what i was earning there so, best way to get out of debt and it worked.
Average pay of an SAC whether it be tech or non-tech pay is £1000 pcm, and that's with his accommodation and food paid for, so in essence its all beer, car, and g/f (or b/f) money. 

I had a bloke on my trade training course in '96 bounce more cheques that Patrick Ewing could bounce a basketball.  He thought a cheque book was free cash, because the banks wouldn't submit it until he had money in his account. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Unfortunately that's the calibre of retard the Armed Forces attract. i do hope that aint at me?? lol!

how did we even get into this? this topic was all about someone asking what the RAF was like, i put my views and experiences accross from being in the REGT and then get slated. other people put their views and i still get slated, i know there is more guins on here than rocks, but seriously? everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Re: RAF
« Reply #56 on: 15 August 2011, 16:43 »
Bored welsh, nice catch  :grin:

A sensitive A I'm an armourer. How novel  :laugh:

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Ha, fair point!  :grin:  Most of my instructors at are armourers they all seem like sound blokes. What are the real armourers like outside in the real air force. Please tell me what I need to live up to... :laugh:

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Re: RAF
« Reply #57 on: 15 August 2011, 16:46 »
Its because Rocks are stupid.. Everyone knows this.. you harp on about us guins, yet most of us are as fit as you.. you can shoot better than us because its "your trade"... so when we get the chance to hammer you lot back we do... Suck it up sweetheart...

reference pay..

Lewy don't forget that the majority of camps are going CRL now, so you have to fend for yourself. This does cause an issue with me, I now spend triple on food that I used to, for example, food is about 120 quid a month on a standard unit. I now spend around 60 quid a week on decent food. Plus all the eating out that I do as well.. Soon adds up..

Just to note: My trade leave trade training as a LAC...This lasts for about 2 weeks until they do their TATs and get knocked up to an SAC.. We are on the lower payband... Looking here..

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpayscales.htm

in 18 months of leaving, as long as you have completed your advanced apprenticeship then you move onto level 5 higher payband.. So...

join up.. do 9 weeks training, do a year of trade training, so thats 14mnths, add on 18 months out of training with apprenticeship and you move onto £24,074 thats after 32 months, less than 3 years of being in, work into that you also have your AIP's which if required you could put in straight after moving onto the higher payband and in 32 mnths of being in the Airforce you could be on £26,404.

Also don't forget the bonus money on the new scheme, if you take it at 6 + 8 years it works out to be 5k and 7.5k, if you leave if for the full 8 years your looking at 15k, ok you get taxed on that but thats still 10-12k in your pocket for serving your 9 years.. of course you can take at your 4-5 year points as well but not really worth it...

All these things add up...

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Re: RAF
« Reply #58 on: 15 August 2011, 17:10 »
Loving this thread,  :grin:

No input from any pOngos or golden rivet hunters yet though  :undecided:

Seeing as you insist Chuff! Cant really tell you much about the RAF mate, not in it!

As far as the Armed forces are concerned though, my oppinion is the same as most others on here.
I've been in the Navy for near on 13 years, and I cant wait to leave TBH. I will be leaving with the benefit of a medical pension though, so every cloud and all that! By the sounds of it, none of the tri-service is what it once was. You can count yourself lucky with initial pay through training as well! I worked in a rag factory for 4 months after leaving school, and before joing the Navy. I was taking home 105 quid a week. Pittance I hear you say! Not compared to being a junior (under 17 1/2) throughout training. Initial training was 8 weeks, seamanship was another 4, proffessional training was 21 weeks for my trade, and then SPO (ships protection organisation) BSSC (basic sea servival course), and NBC training was another 4 weeks. For those non-mathematicians out there, thats 37 weeks, then with leave inbetween, worked out at almost a year before joining my first ship. During that time, I was taking home between 228, and 260 quid - A MONTH! And 13 years isnt really that long ago as to the avarage wage, cost of living etc. I'm not that old!!! :tongue: Anyway, rant over.
As far as I've seen, life is no longer a barrell of laughs and beer because a combination of modern lifestyle, (the youth of today) underfunding throughout the services, and paralelled with that is the knob jockies which make our higherarchy nowadays. Youngsters now would rather sit in the mess playing xbox or games on their phone, and occasionally go to the gym. Not that the gym is a bad thing, but it used to be that if you were'nt duty, you were on the piss. Nobody gets on it anymore. All this on the seldom occassions when a vastly diminished Navy is alongside. More often than not, we are at sea. Whether this be in the south coast exercise areas, preparing to deploy, or actually on deployment. Again because of budget cuts, the vast majority of deployments are operational ones, to the middle east. Very few jolly's anymore, and once again very few stops as ports are now charging too much for a bit of down time. Only stops nowadays are official visits, with a guard of honour, ceremonial sh!te, and cock and arse parties for the wardroom. Higherarchy are jobs worths because they are miserable, but in positions of power. Therefore they take it out on the ratings, making our already miserable existence even worse.
As I'm waiting for my discharge, I am working for waterfront support, fleet maintenance. I basically go onto ships when they request, and help diagnose and fix systems that they require help with/cant do. Because there are very few ships anymore, and even less alongside, I finish at 12 most days! That coupled for working for a warrant officer who I have known for 11 years, and have worked for before, means I have it proper easy now. As mentioned though, gone are the regular drafts like this as the positions are now filled by 'civvies' on 12k a year, rather than the 33k basic they pay me, and I'm still only a Leading Hand (corporal for the other service types). Pay really is the only incentive nowadays. If you have a family, stay well clear as I can almost guarantee, it will end in tears. Young dumb, and full of cum, you get to do feck all as the ones that work hard will have to work more to make up for your lack of effort, so you will get left well alone, and drip when you get jobbed off as you are being 'picked on' ffs!!! sh!t but true. Have a great day!
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Re: RAF
« Reply #59 on: 15 August 2011, 17:26 »
^^^^^^ well said



Its because Rocks are stupid.. Everyone knows this.. you harp on about us guins, yet most of us are as fit as you.. you can shoot better than us because its "your trade"... so when we get the chance to hammer you lot back we do... Suck it up sweetheart...

im all for the banter mate, its what we thrived off when being on dets or even when sat around the tea room 9hours a day. although it is starting to pi55 me off you insinuating that i am the steretypical ROCK. yes i have served with some proper thick f**ks and no matter how much you beat them the sense dont stick.

so must i be the black sheep of the rocks then for having a decent education and qualifications??

dont worry princess ill suck it up and ill dish it out twice as hard :afro:


reference pay..

Lewy don't forget that the majority of camps are going CRL now, so you have to fend for yourself. This does cause an issue with me, I now spend triple on food that I used to, for example, food is about 120 quid a month on a standard unit. I now spend around 60 quid a week on decent food. Plus all the eating out that I do as well.. Soon adds up..

Just to note: My trade leave trade training as a LAC...This lasts for about 2 weeks until they do their TATs and get knocked up to an SAC.. We are on the lower payband... Looking here..

http://www.armedforces.co.uk/rafpayscales.htm

in 18 months of leaving, as long as you have completed your advanced apprenticeship then you move onto level 5 higher payband.. So...

join up.. do 9 weeks training, do a year of trade training, so thats 14mnths, add on 18 months out of training with apprenticeship and you move onto £24,074 thats after 32 months, less than 3 years of being in, work into that you also have your AIP's which if required you could put in straight after moving onto the higher payband and in 32 mnths of being in the Airforce you could be on £26,404.

Also don't forget the bonus money on the new scheme, if you take it at 6 + 8 years it works out to be 5k and 7.5k, if you leave if for the full 8 years your looking at 15k, ok you get taxed on that but thats still 10-12k in your pocket for serving your 9 years.. of course you can take at your 4-5 year points as well but not really worth it...

All these things add up...

Someone call the duty Armorer, I need a new brew making, this ones gone cold...