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Offline jmsheahan

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Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« on: 29 July 2011, 18:56 »
I've recently moved out of student accommodation and have been trying to sort out getting our deposit back (a familiar tale with any landlord). Basically, despite the house being a health hazard for 2 years (shower catching fire due to dodgy wiring, ceiling caving in, painting over mouldy walls etc) and him getting away with it he's being a nightmare over the bond.

He's accusing myself and one other tenant of breaking two freezer drawers. We didn't however to shut him up we said we'd pay for replacements - however he's decided he wants us to sort it. As he has some piece of crap freezer, I spend 2 days tracing down said drawers and finally get them ordered, £70 out of pocket.

I then receive a singular drawer to the wrong address, meaning I have to shell out again to get it sent to his house. The other drawer is on back order which and I quote 'could take months'. I prove this to him by sending him the invoice, clearly stating I've paid the full amount and it's not my fault.

He then decides he's still going to keep my bond until the other is delivered but my housemate can have his back, even though I've already paid for the drawer. The bond is £245 each so a lot of cash. In my opinion he's being totally unreasonable considering I've bent over backwards, had a complete mare with the supplier and am totally skint (I had to bail my housemate out as he couldn't afford the money for the drawer).

Any advice on how to rectify this situation? I'm sick of this money grabbing asshole and really don't know what my options are :angry:. Would citizens advice be an option?

Any advice appreciated  :sad: (and thanks for reading this!)

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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #1 on: 29 July 2011, 19:03 »
1. Did you sign a tennancy contract?
2. Did you have an inventory done?

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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #2 on: 29 July 2011, 19:06 »
P.S.

Don't feck around with this numpty, issue an immediate letter of legal action if he messes you around.



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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #3 on: 29 July 2011, 19:06 »
hmm, if im reading right, then your main problem is the fact you agreed to replace the drawers, which i think as far as the courts will see it, is an admission of guilt, regardless of whether you did it or not. And then it all comes down to the tenancy agreement too.

you could try filing a claim in small claim court, would cost you a few quid but the notion of it going through the court may entice him to be a bit more reasonable, failing that, as you would have already paid for case to be lodged, just continue with it and see how it pans out.

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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #4 on: 29 July 2011, 19:09 »
no inventory no cry



man up... it happens to all students. one day when you are big and own a property you can do the same to some dirty little student. balance is restored :cool:

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« Reply #5 on: 29 July 2011, 19:11 »
no inventory no cry



man up... it happens to all students. one day when you are big and own a property you can do the same to some dirty little student. balance is restored :cool:
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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #6 on: 29 July 2011, 19:13 »
P.S.

Don't feck around with this numpty, issue an immediate letter of legal action if he messes you around.



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Jonathan.




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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #7 on: 29 July 2011, 19:14 »
Not quite.

No inventory = not allowed to deduct money from the bond.

And I quote:

• Golden Rule: If there is no initial inventory, the landlord has no grounds for withholding the deposit (unless there are rent arrears). This is because the landlord, without an inventory, is unable to prove what the state of the property was at the start of the tenancy. Therefore it is not in your best interesticon, as tenant, to insist on an initial inventory.


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« Reply #8 on: 29 July 2011, 19:19 »
Again, I quote:


The following is a Letter Before Action (LBA), which you must amend according to your situation :


Dear Sir,

I am writing to you concerning my tenancy of the premises at [address].

I request that you return my deposit of £_______, as the premises were left clean and in good repair when the tenancy ended. Allowing for fair wear and tear, the premises were left in the same condition as they were in at the beginning of the tenancy.

As the deposit was paid after 6 April 2007, you the landlord are required by law to keep the money in a separate account, and to provide the tenant with a written statement detailing (a) exactly what the deposit covers and (b) when the money will be returned. Please provide evidence that you have complied with this statutory duty.

The deposit must not be regarded as extra rent, to be used to improve the condition of the property.

Any amount deducted from it must be equivalent to the amount needed to replace “like with like”. For example, if the carpet was worn at the start of the tenancy, you cannot retain the amount that would pay for a brand new carpet.

You cannot deduct the replacement value of any item, even if it was brand new at the start of the tenancy, as this would be "betterment". You can only deduct from the deposit a percentage of the item's value, based on (a) its on condition at the start of the tenancy (which you must prove using the inventory from the start of the tenancy), and (b) the expected life of the item.

Nor can you make deductions from the deposit for general “wear and tear”. The tenant is only liable for damage that creates extra cost; the deposit is not there to provide a redecoration fund. You must redecorate at your own expense.

You must in any event prepare a dilapidation schedule, and you must have the relevant tradesmen give a written quotation (not an estimate) for each item of cost that you include in it.

I request that you give me receipts or invoices for work carried out, or quotations for work yet to be done.

The onus is on you to prove that there are circumstances justifying the retention of any part of the deposit, and to date you have not provided any such evidence.

I will therefore be in a position to demonstrate that it is unreasonable for you to keep any part of the deposit, should you be unable to produce the requested evidence and matters proceed to court.

You must remember that the deposit is my money. You must account for it properly. It is a common misconception that the deposit belongs to the landlord, but that is not the case and withholding it without proper grounds is unlawful.

I require your reply to arrive no later than 14 days after the date of this letter, together with your cheque for any amount not in dispute. If I receive no satisfactory reply by then, I will begin a county courticon action for recovery of my deposit without further warning.

The Court can order you to pay back the deposit, and the proceedings are very straightforward. Also, the Courts are very sympathetic to tenants whose landlords do not fulfil their statutory obligations.

I look forward to hearing from you within 14 days.

Yours faithfully,

[Signed]


Note: This letter is only an example, you must modify it to meet the actual circumstances of your case. For instance, if you accept that you are responsible for some damage or cleaning that needs to be done, say so in the letter. Acting reasonably may earn you credit from the court.


This letter is full of WIN!

Jonathan.


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Re: Landlords (groan!)....advice needed
« Reply #9 on: 29 July 2011, 19:29 »
jonathan strikes again!  :grin:

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