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Offline snifferdog

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Bhp at the wheels.
« on: 14 July 2011, 19:22 »
Apparently my old mk3 made 95bhp at the wheels when the new owner stuck it on the rollers?!!  :huh:

Isn't there a difference between the power made at the wheels and the power made at the flywheel? Im no expert but it should be more at the flywheel right?

So, how bad is 95 at the wheels?

Id still buy it back, was a great car!! :cool: :grin:

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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #1 on: 14 July 2011, 19:42 »
Some rolling road read the wheel power during a power run and then read the coast down drag factor, the drag factor is then added to the wheel power to give calculated fly wheel power.

Then some rolling roads can only read wheel power, and then dyno dynamics rolling roads can only read the wheel power during a power run and had no way of reading the actual losses, in the states most dyno dynamics operators will only give the reading as wheel power, but most of the uk dyno dynamics rolling roads will give a calculated estimated flywheel power based on a fix % which is worked out in the software. A rule of thumb is a front wheel drive car will have around 12% losses on average, and read wheel drive 22-25%.    This is why there is a huge dyno lottery between all rolling roads, not one dyno is 100% correct, but if used correct all dynos inc the calculated loss dyno dynamics road will give realistic reading for the condition of the run on a given day.

Only way to get an exact flywheel bhp is take the engine out and run it on a bench dyno



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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #2 on: 14 July 2011, 19:46 »
Around 106bhp at the fly, what should the stock bhp be?



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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #3 on: 14 July 2011, 19:53 »
its an old girl, 8v if i remember, thats not bad, same lump as my old b3, it made 111, they are 115 standard i believe.  :smiley:

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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #4 on: 14 July 2011, 20:02 »
its an old girl, 8v if i remember, thats not bad, same lump as my old b3, it made 111, they are 115 standard i believe.  :smiley:

The b3 that ripped up jkms on the forum rr day?  Still don't know to this day how that fitted lol.

106bhp is a realistic number based on 12% then.



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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #5 on: 14 July 2011, 20:33 »
That is about the right figure at the wheels tbh. :smiley:

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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #6 on: 15 July 2011, 09:01 »
Well from personal experience I know of 4 Rolling Roads that are reading roughly the same!

I would say 95 is on the low side.
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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #7 on: 15 July 2011, 09:13 »
Transmission losses are around 20 to 30 bhp so 95 at the wheels is about right.

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Re: Bhp at the wheels.
« Reply #8 on: 15 July 2011, 09:17 »
Well from personal experience I know of 4 Rolling Roads that are reading roughly the same!

I would say 95 is on the low side.

Have you got the reading as the wheel there Len?  I would be nice to see how they vary.



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