You cannot compare a standard 150/180 20vt in a mk4 or similar platform to a 230+bhp one in a mk2. Sure, they're pretty quiet in standard trim, but I'm guessing you've never been in a turbo nutter bastard mk2. When tuned the noises are awesome, the spooling up sound coming on boost, the whistle, pops and 2ft flames from the exhaust, the dumping between gears, the general air rushing sound, combined with a good speed sensation, all that sounds so much better than bwaaaaaah like you get from a vr or abf kjet airbox. I've got an abf mk2, and I like how it goes and sounds, but my pals 20vt ruins it in performance, sound, mpg, and general awesomeness when you start pushing tvr's, evo's, scoobies etc out the way its no comparison really.. Characterless?! Never heard such tosh! More like smooth and subtle power rather than all noise! 20vt is an awesome engine when its in the right shell with the right mods