Strikes. Are you with them or not?

[Hartside]

Is anyone else going to answer my question?

If each person on this forum stood to lose wages/benefits/pensions what would your opinions be then?

In the private sector we already have as I said earlier. Out of approx 23 million private sector workers, 22 million have already lost their final salray pension schemes. We don't like it but understand it's unmaintainable. Time for others to waken up!  

[raferackstraw]

Is anyone else going to answer my question?

If each person on this forum stood to lose wages/benefits/pensions what would your opinions be then?

yeah i'll answer
 i would just get on with it and not bother striking because unless in this country we take the french attitude to blockading and bringing the country to a stand still then sod all is gonna change and certainly teachers would not be seen as a profession to warrant that kind of action.

[vaughn]

Jay, i also said i didn't actually agree with striking, i was just trying to get people to see it from a different perspective.

Also these 250k gold plated pensions, what does that actually mean in terms of a yearly income?

Iirc teaching pensions are based on a 25 year retirement so 10k a year.

is that on top of the state pension?
if you carried on living say 35 years after you retired would you still get the 10k a year? for the extra 10 years.
as part of the cuts does the 14% contribution the government makes to your pension get changed?

[Mitching]

Again there's a difference between the private and public sector.

I don't think I've heard of workers in the private sector striking.
The only strikes I've known of are workers in the public sectors.
And it's the public sectors that help the public: teachers; firefighters, nurses etc. whose jobs are to help the patrons of this country, whereas the private companies are generally businesses to line the fat cats pockets.

Another point, people slag off teachers if the kids don't learn anything, but the teachers are just sticking to what they're told to teach by the delirious bureaucrats near the top, yet it's the bottom b!tch that gets the brunt of it.

[Jay]

I am totally against these strikes, everyone is being effected by cuts.  I haven't had a pay rise since I don't know when, but I am just chuffed to have a job that I love at the moment.  I think it is only fair that the government starts now to bring public sector jobs in line with the private sector.  For far too long people have been paid too much money for doing pretty easy jobs and now is the time for these people to feel the pinch too.

You think teaching is an easy job?

Do you think teaching is the hardest job going? LOTS of Jobs are hard. You wanted to teach so get over it. Simples.

[dom]

I am totally against these strikes, everyone is being effected by cuts.  I haven't had a pay rise since I don't know when, but I am just chuffed to have a job that I love at the moment.  I think it is only fair that the government starts now to bring public sector jobs in line with the private sector.  For far too long people have been paid too much money for doing pretty easy jobs and now is the time for these people to feel the pinch too.

You think teaching is an easy job?

Do you think teaching is the hardest job going? LOTS of Jobs are hard. You wanted to teach so get over it. Simples.

When have I said that? I'm fully aware there are much harder jobs than teaching, and I'm sure many people on this forum work extremely hard. However if anyone thinks teaching is easy they can think again.

I'm not sure why there is so much hatred for teachers on here, but this is the last time I'm going to post in this thread. No-one is going to agree so im not going to waste any more of my time with it. Out of interest what exactly is it you do for a living Jay?

[Jack3559]

[AudiA8Quattro]

Jay, i think you've got a chip on your shoulder.
Were your teachers horrible to you at school? 

[AudiA8Quattro]

I am totally against these strikes, everyone is being effected by cuts.  I haven't had a pay rise since I don't know when, but I am just chuffed to have a job that I love at the moment.  I think it is only fair that the government starts now to bring public sector jobs in line with the private sector.  For far too long people have been paid too much money for doing pretty easy jobs and now is the time for these people to feel the pinch too.

You think teaching is an easy job?

Do you think teaching is the hardest job going? LOTS of Jobs are hard. You wanted to teach so get over it. Simples.

When have I said that? I'm fully aware there are much harder jobs than teaching, and I'm sure many people on this forum work extremely hard. However if anyone thinks teaching is easy they can think again.

I'm not sure why there is so much hatred for teachers on here, but this is the last time I'm going to post in this thread. No-one is going to agree so im not going to waste any more of my time with it. Out of interest what exactly is it you do for a living Jay?

I support you Dom.
To be honest i've got too much going on in my life to be JEALOUS of teachers or other public servants getting small pensions in years to come.
(They will be worth very little come retirement age).
So they can strike to try and protect what they have, GOOD FOR THEM.
There is so much hatred on here.
GET OUT MORE OFTEN.

Rant over 

[simc66]

In the private sector we already have as I said earlier. Out of approx 23 million private sector workers, 22 million have already lost their final salray pension schemes. We don't like it but understand it's unmaintainable. Time for others to waken up!  

And this is what I mean, people aren't paying attention.  The problem is not the switch from final salary pensions as such, it's the fact we're actually being asked to pay 50% more out of our salaries for a worse pension and work 6-8 years longer to do so. 

Give you an example (don't pick me up on the details, it's an example).  You buy a brand new Gti for 30k.  The VW dealer gives you a deal where you pay £500 a month for 3 years, and after the 3 years they'll give you 10k for the car.  Fair enough you think.

Then, after a year, the dealer rings you up and says "sorry, we're a bit skint at the moment, so you'll have to pay £750 a month for the next two years, and we'll only give you 5k for the car". 

You'd be down your local solicitors in a flash, wouldn't you?

And this is exactly what this is - legalised theft.

Incidentally, the life expectancy for white collar staff is currently 85.4 years.  For teachers it's 78.8.  We're cheap in pension terms