This months Golf+ Page 16 scan please

[Horney]

Not in the slightest fella. Copyright of an image always remains with the photographer unless you sign it away in a contract. Thanks for the input though.

nick

His car and you never asked for permission. He's free to use it as he wishes. You'd not get any lawer interested.

FAIL - Nick is correct

FAIL - Always ask permission from the property owner.

Good luck with your complaint, it'll get no interest.

So when someone takes a photo of a skyline or a building do you go and ask permission?

A building, (anyones property) yes you're supposed to, especially if you're wanting to use the photo for some kind of work/publication.

Incorrect. If you're stood on public property or at a public event on private you can photo what you like. I don't recall google asking every person in Britain if it was OK to photo their house and car.

Nick

It is correct and google did create a stir photographing peoples houses without express permission.

And yes, you can photograph what you like, but only use it for your own private viewing pleasure. If you want anything else from it such as 'you can't use that photo of your property' then you've got to have had an agreement prior.

Sorry you're totally wrong. I can put it a gallery and charge £500 a print and the car owner has no right to a penny. He put his car in public.

I should probably point out I am a qualified photographer, part of the qualification included the copyright laws of photography and as an artist who displays and sells his work on the internet It's a very important thing for me to have knowledge on.

Nick

[Horney]

Photos of my car is what I meant, don't be the pedant!   

Anyway, good luck with whatever happens.

You might have missed it as this thread is moving fast but they apologized for not checking that the owner owned the copyright and that they will tighten up their procedures. I didn't ask for any money because it was only one shot. As I said earlier I have had a set of shots used without permission from a show before and Invoiced for the work and received a cheque.

Nick

[EmeraldVixon]

This may help clear things up...

1.Who owns the copyright on photographs?
Under law, it is the photographer who will own copyright on any photos he/she has taken, with the following exceptions:

•If the photographer is an employee of the company the photos are taken for, or is an employee of a company instructed to take the photos, the photographer will be acting on behalf of his/her employer, and the company the photographer works for will own the copyright.
•If there is an agreement that assigns copyright to another party.
In all other cases, the photographer will retain the copyright, if the photographer has been paid for his work, the payment will be for the photographer’s time and typically an allocated number of prints. The copyright to the photos will remain with the photographer, and therefore any reproduction without permission would be an infringement of copyright.

taken from,

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyright

for the avoidance of any copyright issues  

[Ant1981]

Photos of my car is what I meant, don't be the pedant!   

Anyway, good luck with whatever happens.

You might have missed it as this thread is moving fast but they apologized for not checking that the owner owned the copyright and that they will tighten up their procedures. I didn't ask for any money because it was only one shot. As I said earlier I have had a set of shots used without permission from a show before and Invoiced for the work and received a cheque.

Nick

Ok fair enough, but another note, a mag will not want bad press regardless so a cheque is nothing to them to 'shut someone up' so that it is quickly put to bed.

[Horney]

This may help clear things up...

1.Who owns the copyright on photographs?
Under law, it is the photographer who will own copyright on any photos he/she has taken, with the following exceptions:

•If the photographer is an employee of the company the photos are taken for, or is an employee of a company instructed to take the photos, the photographer will be acting on behalf of his/her employer, and the company the photographer works for will own the copyright.
•If there is an agreement that assigns copyright to another party.
In all other cases, the photographer will retain the copyright, if the photographer has been paid for his work, the payment will be for the photographer’s time and typically an allocated number of prints. The copyright to the photos will remain with the photographer, and therefore any reproduction without permission would be an infringement of copyright.

taken from,

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyright

for the avoidance of any copyright issues  

This^^^^^

Photos of my car is what I meant, don't be the pedant!   

Anyway, good luck with whatever happens.

You might have missed it as this thread is moving fast but they apologized for not checking that the owner owned the copyright and that they will tighten up their procedures. I didn't ask for any money because it was only one shot. As I said earlier I have had a set of shots used without permission from a show before and Invoiced for the work and received a cheque.

Nick

Ok fair enough, but another note, a mag will not want bad press regardless so a cheque is nothing to them to 'shut someone up' so that it is quickly put to bed.

Not at all, they admitted they had infringed copyright on my work, paid me several hundred pounds and sent me a lengthy apology. THey know the score, they hire free lance photographers to photograph shows and feature cars.

Nick

[Thom89]

Nick, I know you're right on this one, James (my son) has also had various photos half inched for various publications, usually done out of desperation (no offense) for images, of a past event... and taking the hit, if, and when it gets discovered by the Photographer... just part of every day at work for them, they know they've done it, but its business as usual
I took some photo's of James Kiteboarding a few years back, the shop that he was sponsored by, just took the images, and put them straight onto a promotional leaflet.. pissed me off a bit, so I know how you feel...

Thom

[Horney]

Nick, I know you're right on this one, James (my son) has also had various photos half inched for various publications, usually done out of desperation (no offense) for images, of a past event... and taking the hit, if, and when it gets discovered by the Photographer... just part of every day at work for them, they know they've done it, but its business as usual
I took some photo's of James Kiteboarding a few years back, the shop that he was sponsored by, just took the images, and put them straight onto a promotional leaflet.. pissed me off a bit, so I know how you feel...

Thom

It's a bummer isn't it, a small credit would always be welcome. I'm not a money grabbing type of guy but it would be nice for people to know who's hard work it was.

Been following your son's stuff on facebook. He's very very good.

nick

[Ant1981]

Just take it as a compliment. I've had photos of mine published in the past and it's actually made me happy as someone has appreciated it enough to publish it and give my photo publicity that it otherwise may have never had.

[Horney]

Just take it as a compliment. I've had photos of mine published in the past and it's actually made me happy as someone has appreciated it enough to publish it and give my photo publicity that it otherwise may have never had.

I do, it's a huge compliment but it's not very good publicity if my name isn't next to it! PVW used some of my shots with permission and all I asked for was that they credited me as the photographer which they dually did. Like I said I'm not after fists full of cash, just the recognition of my work and to pint out that they should be a littl emore careful about the photos they publish without getting permission of the photographer.

nick

[JC]

drinks are on you then nick