Ed 35 powerplant

[QuinRS]

New here so please pardon my ignorance but, what is the reason for the the K04 turbo engine being used in the Ed 35?

Can the standard mark 6 gti engine not be reliably modified to give 235bhp?

Initially, on release of the mark 6 gti, opinion seemed to suggest that 210bhp wasn't really enough for a modern class topping hot hatch. Was this conservative increase in power over the mark 5 gti secondary to the limitations of the mark6 engine?

[Jimmymature]

New here so please pardon my ignorance but, what is the reason for the the K04 turbo engine being used in the Ed 35?

Can the standard mark 6 gti engine not be reliably modified to give 235bhp?

Initially, on release of the mark 6 gti, opinion seemed to suggest that 210bhp wasn't really enough for a modern class topping hot hatch. Was this conservative increase in power over the mark 5 gti secondary to the limitations of the mark6 engine?

I've heard it said before that the engine isnt up to the job but many guys here are running much higer HP than 235 on their MK6 engines.  I know that Volkswagen Racing limit their ECU BHP increase to 250, although they say that's to do with optimal power for the car than the ability for the engine to handle it.


Bigger and better people on this forums know more than I do so no doubt they can help further.


Jim

[PenguinGTI]

The official response from VW seems to be along the lines that the EA888/ K03 combination cannot reliably produce the power they needed for the Nurburgring 24 Endurance. Hence they installed the 2.5 5 pot in the race car.

This statement plus the apparent installation of the old K04 configuration presents a very strong case that the EA888 engine is not actually suitable for running big power.

But I smell what could be a rat...

The Mk6 is (all jibes aside) a re-designed Mk5 which was released with the aim of cutting the production costs of the Golf. With the 2012 scheduled release of the Mk 7, I am suspicious of VW's claims that the EA888 cannot reliably handle an extra 30bhp. Personally I think it is cheaper for them to run out a bunch more "old" engines rather than manufacture the EA888 in a new configuration. Lending support to my thought is the fact that plenty of K04 powered engines are being run out for the Scirocco R, Golf R, S3, Cupra and Cupra R, so it's not too difficult to simply add a few more engines to the production line rather than creating a new production line.

VW being the company that it is, I think they would have noticed before they made the Mk6 whether or not the EA888 could handle 210 bhp (and the usual headroom built into the engine).

I've heard it said before that the engine isnt up to the job but many guys here are running much higer HP than 235 on their MK6 engines.  I know that Volkswagen Racing limit their ECU BHP increase to 250, although they say that's to do with optimal power for the car than the ability for the engine to handle it.

Bigger and better people on this forums know more than I do so no doubt they can help further.

Jim

I'm neither bigger nor better but I have been running approx. 265 hp on my mk6 for the last year and a half with no engine problems.

[AGB]

Initially, on release of the mark 6 gti, opinion seemed to suggest that 210bhp wasn't really enough for a modern class topping hot hatch. Was this conservative increase in power over the mark 5 gti secondary to the limitations of the mark6 engine?

The spec heads will always bemoan the fact that there are other hatches that put out more power and journalists will always try to find fault otherwise their opinion pieces would be a lot less interesting. Top of class isn't just about power.

I've spoken to VWR about upgrades to my engine and tolerances having done a fair amount of research into whether I wanted to VWR, Revo or Bluefin my car. Nobody has seemed to have any problems albeit the odd grumble about Revo here and there. I've also spent a lot of time in various forums and from people who have upgraded, there are no real problems reported with the power increases.

[Jimmymature]

The official response from VW seems to be along the lines that the EA888/ K03 combination cannot reliably produce the power they needed for the Nurburgring 24 Endurance. Hence they installed the 2.5 5 pot in the race car.

This statement plus the apparent installation of the old K04 configuration presents a very strong case that the EA888 engine is not actually suitable for running big power.

But I smell what could be a rat...

The Mk6 is (all jibes aside) a re-designed Mk5 which was released with the aim of cutting the production costs of the Golf. With the 2012 scheduled release of the Mk 7, I am suspicious of VW's claims that the EA888 cannot reliably handle an extra 30bhp. Personally I think it is cheaper for them to run out a bunch more "old" engines rather than manufacture the EA888 in a new configuration. Lending support to my thought is the fact that plenty of K04 powered engines are being run out for the Scirocco R, Golf R, S3, Cupra and Cupra R, so it's not too difficult to simply add a few more engines to the production line rather than creating a new production line.

VW being the company that it is, I think they would have noticed before they made the Mk6 whether or not the EA888 could handle 210 bhp (and the usual headroom built into the engine).

I've heard it said before that the engine isnt up to the job but many guys here are running much higer HP than 235 on their MK6 engines.  I know that Volkswagen Racing limit their ECU BHP increase to 250, although they say that's to do with optimal power for the car than the ability for the engine to handle it.

Bigger and better people on this forums know more than I do so no doubt they can help further.

Jim

I'm neither bigger nor better but I have been running approx. 265 hp on my mk6 for the last year and a half with no engine problems.

You may not be bigger nor better, but you're certainly faster 

Jim

[PenguinGTI]

I only do 70 mph 

[KennyGTI]

I only do 70 mph 

..... in a 30!?

[The Doc]

Mk6 GTI is good for 300+ bhp with the standard, very strong engine / turbo combination, but if your looking to go nuts the bigger blower makes more sense.

All in my humble opinion of course

[KennyGTI]

Mk6 GTI is good for 300+ bhp with the standard, very strong engine / turbo combination, but if your looking to go nuts the bigger blower makes more sense.

All in my humble opinion of course

totally agree, would say the TSI is a much better engine over the FSI. Just it has a k03 stuck on it 

[Snoopy]

The official response from VW seems to be along the lines that the EA888/ K03 combination cannot reliably produce the power they needed for the Nurburgring 24 Endurance. Hence they installed the 2.5 5 pot in the race car.

This statement plus the apparent installation of the old K04 configuration presents a very strong case that the EA888 engine is not actually suitable for running big power.

But I smell what could be a rat...

The Mk6 is (all jibes aside) a re-designed Mk5 which was released with the aim of cutting the production costs of the Golf. With the 2012 scheduled release of the Mk 7, I am suspicious of VW's claims that the EA888 cannot reliably handle an extra 30bhp. Personally I think it is cheaper for them to run out a bunch more "old" engines rather than manufacture the EA888 in a new configuration. Lending support to my thought is the fact that plenty of K04 powered engines are being run out for the Scirocco R, Golf R, S3, Cupra and Cupra R, so it's not too difficult to simply add a few more engines to the production line rather than creating a new production line.

VW being the company that it is, I think they would have noticed before they made the Mk6 whether or not the EA888 could handle 210 bhp (and the usual headroom built into the engine).

I've heard it said before that the engine isnt up to the job but many guys here are running much higer HP than 235 on their MK6 engines.  I know that Volkswagen Racing limit their ECU BHP increase to 250, although they say that's to do with optimal power for the car than the ability for the engine to handle it.

Bigger and better people on this forums know more than I do so no doubt they can help further.

Jim

I'm neither bigger nor better but I have been running approx. 265 hp on my mk6 for the last year and a half with no engine problems.

The reason there running the 2.5 is power. Its not producing low power in its race trim. More than a EA888 2.0 would be able to reliably thats common sense the scare mongerers don't get. They talk about the scirroco race car but did that use an EA888 or EA113  
Why use the EA113 in the Ed35 simple.
You modify an EA888 say by sticking on a K04 you have to type approve it in many countries, not a simple cheap quick process for such a low volume car.
If you just stick a currently used engine in the bay IE SEAT Leon Cupra 240PS unit the emmisions and type approval are already done. Also development costs are next to nothing as all the ancillerys are done from the previous mk5! Cheap as chips special edition with minimum costs involved. Simples.