MK2 turbo

[mk2bal]

The reason everyone else has done it is because its the best engine for the mk2!! (Forgetting r36's etc etc) if you can't beat em (which you won't) join em. Or be different and have a slower, less reliable, harder to source,manage and setup engine that will eventually die. Plus £££'s on fabricating as nothings off the shelf like it is for a 20vt

[Chris-White]

The reason everyone else has done it is because its the best engine for the mk2!! (Forgetting r36's etc etc) if you can't beat em (which you won't) join em. Or be different and have a slower, less reliable, harder to source,manage and setup engine that will eventually die. Plus £££'s on fabricating as nothings off the shelf like it is for a 20vt

if money was no object its not the best option in the mk2 though is it.

less reliable - not if its built properly
harder to source? - set of s2 pistons and rods on ebay at the moment, KKK k24's are two a penny on german ebay.
manage - well yes, but a custom management setup is required for big power on a 20v anyway
eventually die - why? as said, not if properly built

slower - the 16v head design is better than the 20vs.

this is worth a read:
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-174912.html

not to mention 20v power delivery isnt the most exciting.

[Neo Badness]

The reason everyone else has done it is because its the best engine for the mk2!! (Forgetting r36's etc etc) if you can't beat em (which you won't) join em. Or be different and have a slower, less reliable, harder to source,manage and setup engine that will eventually die. Plus £££'s on fabricating as nothings off the shelf like it is for a 20vt

if money was no object its not the best option in the mk2 though is it.

less reliable - not if its built properly
harder to source? - set of s2 pistons and rods on ebay at the moment, KKK k24's are two a penny on german ebay.
manage - well yes, but a custom management setup is required for big power on a 20v anyway
eventually die - why? as said, not if properly built

slower - the 16v head design is better than the 20vs.

this is worth a read:
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-174912.html

not to mention 20v power delivery isnt the most exciting.

Thank you for covering almost everything I was going to say.

[mk2bal]

Never said it was the best engine (hence mentioning r36's etc). But if you wanna rebuild an old 16v made out of a shopping list of 2nd hand parts, and then manage it, sure, but I'd rather grab a bam lump, forge it, qpeng it, and drive it.its like saying well I've got an old 'a' series engine, if I do everything to it it'll be better than a 20v?!sure if you want to. 16vt was cool 15years ago, just look at caistor bmxs fooked engine!! 20 valve isn't THE best engine available, but for £'s, and ease of getting a good one, plus spares, plus upgrades it kicks the fook out of a 16vt. Didn't realise the heads were worse tho?! I guess people have tested and proved that yeah..?

[fecked_tt]

Have to say standard 20vts are a bit sh!t

[Diamond Hell]

Didn't realise the heads were worse tho?! I guess people have tested and proved that yeah..?

How many valves do the Golf5 and 6 GTI have? QED

16VT is a rich man's 20VT.  The 16V VAG motor is a finer motor than the 20V unit.  It's got to be done properly, but it'd be the one I'd go for if I were a rich man (which I'm not  )

[Chris-White]

Never said it was the best engine (hence mentioning r36's etc). But if you wanna rebuild an old 16v made out of a shopping list of 2nd hand parts, and then manage it, sure, but I'd rather grab a bam lump, forge it, qpeng it, and drive it.its like saying well I've got an old 'a' series engine, if I do everything to it it'll be better than a 20v?!sure if you want to. 16vt was cool 15years ago, just look at caistor bmxs fooked engine!! 20 valve isn't THE best engine available, but for £'s, and ease of getting a good one, plus spares, plus upgrades it kicks the fook out of a 16vt. Didn't realise the heads were worse tho?! I guess people have tested and proved that yeah..?

this post is so full of contradiction!

2nd hand parts -like a 2nd hand bam engine you mean?
forge it - like you would be doing with the S2 pistons in my hypothetical 16vt that are forged as standard
'manage' the 16vt - then you say qpeng, which is, erm, management  and expensive management at that
caistor bmx's is the opposite to what i was saying, i said a PROPERLY BUILT and managed engine.

then you say more upgrades to the engine, but really its all the same price for nything good (aka forged pistons / bigger turbos / better downpipes / meth injection etc etc) and then the 20vdesign lacks the ability for higher lift cams or much bigger valves due to the valve design.

[mk2bal]

Ok ill race you to 275 bhp. Drop a bam in. Remap on Standard management, done. I know what your saying, but come on you got to see my point too. Money/time/effort are all big factors, and for that reason a 20vts got to be more feasible.look out for a rear endered 20vt, or take someones off them that they can no longer afford is the way ill do mine. I know pricing it all up new/mainly new isn't cheap at all. My mate stripped a 20vt, sold all the goodies, then another mate had shell and engine conversion for 1500quid!! Included lsd rebuilt box, g60brakes, qpeng setup etc etc. My abf conversion with all the probs I had cost me nigh on a grand all in! Twas gutted so I was

[Diamond Hell]

You've spent a grand on an ABF conversion? You're doing it wrong.

Remind me what management you're running it on?.

[lemski]

Wouldnt it have been cheaper to buy an abf mk3 and bang that in a mk2?