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Offline jcth1

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My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« on: 12 April 2011, 06:49 »
Heres some pics of my golf as i bought it with the multispokes. Im in the process of changing it to make it handle better.








Heres some pic of it in action at round 2 of www.sw-pc.com sprint championship












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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #1 on: 12 April 2011, 12:52 »
Get some door cards on it - you can buy sheets of Foamalux for not much and cut it to fit.  This will make things slightly safer as you won't have sharp metal edges in the doors.

You should get a cage to mount those nasty harnesses on, or take them off - more likely to hurt you than OEM seatbelts in an accident.

Are the control arms stitch-welded?  If not, get it done.  What else have you done to sort the handling?
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #2 on: 12 April 2011, 22:27 »
Ive got a spec list on sw-pc ill bring across once the site is back up for maintenance.

mk3 suspension
2.0abf etc

The track racing i do is fairly low speed and well controlled. Harnesses seem fine and are bolted in to the exhaust tunnelvery well using 4mm plate and a decent set of bolts.

doors are gonna be gutted and polycarbs fitted for weight saving, rear wiper is coming out and im going to be swapping my pas for a driver non pas rack to save engine drag and further weight. In a straight line it cant beat a standard interior xr2 running a 130ps zetec. My mates stripped his xr2 so ive got to up my ante and further weight loss and do better starts as holding revs and dumping the clutch didnt get me off the line as quick as him with power on, clutch off method my mate used.
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #3 on: 12 April 2011, 23:52 »
You sure about that non-PAS swap?

Non-PAS racks are generally more turns lock to lock, so you'll need to spin that wheel faster to catch it if it steps out.

How have you mounted the shoulder straps on the harnesses?
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #4 on: 13 April 2011, 09:15 »
You sure about that non-PAS swap?

Non-PAS racks are generally more turns lock to lock, so you'll need to spin that wheel faster to catch it if it steps out.

How have you mounted the shoulder straps on the harnesses?

cheers for the advice. For the time being ill be happy with a non pas rack and maybe look for a better solution. Ive fitted a smaller wheel and boss, for which i need to document in photo's of my progress.

The shoulder straps go through two holes at the tops of the seats and down to the rear seat belt mounts. Spec list lifted from www.sw-pc.com is as:

1.8 16v Kr engine
powerflow induction panel, quite rare setup previous owner tells me
4 branch manifold
full magnex exhaust
poly bushed all round inc rear strut tops
bucket seats
harnesses
g60 calipers
braided brake hoses
koni adjustables
h and r springs on static drop
3 gauge vdo cluster though 1 needs hooking up and one needs backlight sorting
16'' oz supertourismos
samco hosing in places

Its been fully stripped and my plans are:#

carbon roof, tailgate and bonnet
poly windows all around
Remove sunroof mech and replace with something poly and scooby scoop until carbon roof is doable
remove heater and cooling system and replace with ceramic 12v cig lighter heater only
strut brace front upper, lower and rear
ARB's
5 stud from mk3 gti 16v, im purchasing weekly as we speak
2.0l ABF on Kjet conversion from aforementioned mk3 gti 16v
H.I.D's though not secure atm but would fancy some 55w's now
Sportier Steering wheel and Boss - Done
Decent Cage with fully weld in or bolted in on fabricated plates
Colour change to satin black in the short term and maybe met black in the future


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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #5 on: 13 April 2011, 19:43 »
These guys for the polycarb windows:

http://www.acwmotorsportplastics.co.uk/

HIDs are illegal and will be cracked down on in the MOT shortly, so fitting a relay kit which will give you better headlights and keep it legal is the way forward.

Whyever would you put an ABF in on K-Jet?  Are you looking to reduce its output?  If you're buying the whole car then fit the Injection system.  It will be more reliable and probably give better power and engine reliability.

My issue with the harnesses is that they're probably at +45degrees down to those points that were never designed to take the load you're putting on them.  All this adds up to spinal compression in an accident.

The only way of getting round that is fitting a proper cage with harness mounts bars in the rear.

You would be better off keeping the faster PAS rack and fitting an electric PAS set up.

Here's a reasonable solution for the cage.  Then you'd need a coded welder to fit it properly.
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #6 on: 17 April 2011, 00:27 »
Being a sprint series, it's not an MSA-regulated event, so is superbly accessible motorsport. I assume you have a level of safety scrutineering and safety feature coercion though?

Cage-wise, there's no need to fit a multi-point cage with the weight penalty they bring, unless you have greater usage planned ahead. A Custom Cages Club kit should be more than enough, and in MSA events, non-caged cars are commonplate, cages not required for some production classes.

Cages do not require coded welders to install them, but you clearly need to satisfy yourself about the quality of welding. Alternately, a pre-assembled structure (OMP, Safety Devices etc) eliminate this issue, leaving you with just floor plates to install.

Harness guidance here: http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191416

Another potential source for plastic windows here: http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=209821

I doubt it's a biggie, but if you plan to move onto MSA sprints, the ABF engine will be a problem. You can construct a basis to use a 9A in a Mk2 in the UK, off the back of the USA production of 9A GTIs though.

An electric PAS column does not work with a PAS Golf rack.
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #7 on: 17 April 2011, 23:46 »
Links now fixed.

See the first link. Harness bars are not mandated by the MSA, and scrutineers in racing clubs throughout the UK and beyond have plenty of vehicles participating within the recomended non-harness bar harness angles. If if wasn't 'ok' they, the motor club they represent, and indeed the MSA are open to being pursued for negligence should the worst happen.

Electric PAS does not solve the drag on the engine. It moves from the PAS motor pulley, to the alternator pulley  :wink:
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #8 on: 18 April 2011, 22:40 »
Electric PAS does not solve the drag on the engine. It moves from the PAS motor pulley, to the alternator pulley  :wink:

Not nessaseraly so.

load more on the alternator pully at part throttel is of no matter,   who said the alternator would generating at all on full throttel  :wink: 
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Re: My golf - used in local sw handling championship
« Reply #9 on: 18 April 2011, 22:53 »
thanks for all off your inputs. I feel that if the added weight of the pas wasnt there then it doesnt matter about added drag via the alternator or by running mechanical pas. No PAS, no weight, no drag and one less thing go wrong.

Ive got a driver rack sourced and although this means more turns lock to lock i would be much happier with loss of weight over turn in etc.

Doors and boot to be gutted soon and then eventually when i can afford it poly windows.