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Offline speedy gonzales

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Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« on: 15 March 2005, 23:04 »
Hey fellow dubbers! i am having problems with my heating system and was hopeing someone can help me out.

Basically I treated myself to an '87 Golf GTi 8 valve car last month and am new to being a Golfer, however the car is plagued with a tedious problem.  Whenever I switch on the heating (full warm with windshield flow) my windshield starts to mist up, there is a burny/foul smell and it stops if i switch the controls to cold.
I pressume that my coolant (antifreeze) is leaking or something...but that is coming from a REALLY UNEDUCATED MECHANIC GUY! (Me!)

Can anyone please advise me on what I can do to stop this from happening and so help to surive in this freezing climate, without my screen misting up with some misty goo (oil or something in texture?)

Oh and as I am asking for advise, just another!
I also have a problem with my washers. Whenever I try to clean my windshield (washers) I can hear the motor pump workign but there is no water coming out of both the front and rear washers.  I thought there may be a blockage and so i used a needle to probe the opening in all washers but that didnt make any difference!
Any tips on what i can try now!  I can hear the pump but there is no water (and yes there is water in the water tank).


REally appreciate it!   

Speedy!
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Offline wayno

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #1 on: 15 March 2005, 23:46 »
welcome dude, sounds like your heater matrix is leaking coolant- the MATRIX or heater exchange as it is sometimes referred to  is located behind the dash. are you losing coolant from the bottle under the bonnet?if this is the case then you have 2 options- replace  the matrix or seal the leak- try some radiator sealer.if no coolant is being lost then check for damp carpets or leaks into the car- winscreens sometimes give trouble.
as for the washers take the pipe off the pump and see if its actually pumping if so trace the fault back to the washer jets.
cheers and good luck.

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #2 on: 16 March 2005, 00:03 »
hey mate and welcome. im fairly new also and have asked advise on pretty much the same prob. what wayno has said is right but if you are not loosing coolant it could be a blocked matrix which means there is air trapped in it somewhere. apparently one way of solving this is to take the cap off of the expansion tank and then leave the engine running and this cause the coolant to boil and release any trapped air. make sure you top it up afterwards and that the heat control switch inside the car is over to hot when you do so otherwise the same could happen agaain. :smiley:

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #3 on: 16 March 2005, 10:41 »
aye sounds like the heater matrix has gone

as for your washers. pull the pipe off the water bottle end and see does water come out when you operate the motor.

the motor might be working but has actually sheared the bit that pumps it! they are cheap n easy to replace anyhow

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #4 on: 16 March 2005, 10:42 »
might be an idea to move this to mk2 forum :wink:

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #5 on: 16 March 2005, 10:43 »
I'll move it now, give me a sec.  :smiley:
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Offline speedy gonzales

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #6 on: 16 March 2005, 11:26 »
Hey thanks guys I really appreciate the advise.  As I have a day off, I may just do all the things you advised me to do now (seeing that the weather is pretty nice too so!)

I cant offer much to this forum as I dont know anything about golfs (or cars in that matter, as I previously was and still am a biker....so if any guys need any biking advise, please dont hesitate to ask :evil:).

Also I am studying medicine (training to be a doctor) so any health problems, then im your man :embarassed:.

Thanks again guy, and thanks for making me feel welcome.

Speedy  :smiley:

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #7 on: 16 March 2005, 12:00 »
whatever you do dont put Radiator Weld/Sealer into your car. it'll cause more damage than it'll fix!!

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Re: Heating Problems (Mk2Gti 8valve)
« Reply #8 on: 16 March 2005, 17:56 »
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whatever you do dont put Radiator Weld/Sealer into your car. it'll cause more damage than it'll fix!!

I agree, it broke my heater matrix so I had to replace itat the weekend!  Arse of a job:
1. Undo 2x nuts from the bulkhead, theye are located under the 2 water pipes that pass through the bulkhead, vertically inline with each other.  If you are unlucky like me these will just spin, don't worry if they do, just means you have to get medieval later on ;)
2. Remove the matrix inlet & outloet pipes, they will likely bee those horrible clips VW like to use, get some big pliers on them and be patient.

Now inside the car:
3. Remove both dash undertrays (several screws) gearknob & gaitor, and then the centre console (1 screw under gearlever gaitor)
4. On the drivers side, undo 3 screws on the plastic trim piece, it should then come away complete with its foam backing.
5. Remove both centre vents, they just pull out.  Then undo the 2 screws holding the centre vent surround in place.
6. Heres a tricky bit, the centre vents are held on to the housing by staples, you'll just be able to see them looking down the holes.  Remove the staples then you'll be able to unclip and remove the centre vent housing.  I used a long sharp knife to gently prise the staples open, patience is a virtue :)
7. You'll now be able to remove the front half of the heater box, it is held in place by 2 plastic nuts.  Wiggle the unit whilst you reach up under the dash to disengage the connections to the passenger vent, it will come out with a little persuasion.
8. Next remove the lower part of the heater box, its a bit tight against the tunnel, but a bit of wiggling and it should come off.
9. Now you'll see the 3 heaterbox control cables, 2 at the front and one on the drivers side.  Undo the metal clips and remove the cables from the control levers. If you have trouble doing this then see step 10, otherwise skip step 10 :)
10.  If you have trouble with the control cables, remove the heater sliders and fan control switch with a good pull, then unclip the heater facia carefully, then remove the lighting plug and fan control switch (if you pursh it upwards the whole unit comes away from the fascia). Then remove the 3 screws and the whole heater slider box will come out from under the dash giving you enough slack to remove the control box without disconnecting the control cables.
11. Another tricky bit, you need to unclip the heaterbox from the fan intake on the passenger side, it is held on with 6 clips on the front, back top & bottom and is a bit of a fiddle.  I found verbal abuse helped me here, and also releaved a bit of stress at the same time :grin:
12. Now you should be all set to remove the heaterbox and matrix!  If you couldn't get the 2 bolts off in step 1 you'll have to pull hard to disengage the heaterbox from the studs, once you do after more verbal abuse and faffing the heater box will come out! be prepared for coolant spillage though, unless you manage to keep the unit upright when removing it (yeah right!)
13. The matrix is held in with 2 clips, undo these and the unit wiull slide upwards and out.  Swap in the nuw unit and transfer the foam gasket from the old unit (very important, otherwise you'll get engine bay fumes in the cabin!)

14. Reinstallation is the reverse of removal, if the old studs are still in the bulkhead you might have trouble getting it back in, in the end I had to remove the lower stud completely and heel around till I got it back onto the top stud.  You can still buy these from VW, which was handy as the lower stud sheared off when I did mine.
15. Enjoy a lovely warm car!  It will smell funny for a while, I even got white smoke coming out the vents when the matrix got really hot, but this stopped after a couple of days.
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