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Offline R32UK

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #20 on: 29 December 2010, 13:58 »
Say money wasn't an object, what do you think would go quicker with enough work? Not changing it so much it's not the same car, if you get me.

Would the electronics on the MK6 be slower then pure driving ability of the completely manual driven (albeit ABS & PAS) MK3?


No.

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #21 on: 29 December 2010, 13:58 »
heavily modded v not so modded... hardly shock horror  :rolleyes:


not very conclusive really anyway. I know for a fact the mk3 would be quicker... off the edge of a cliff :lipsrsealed: :laugh:

erm, isnt the mk6 heavier ?  :tongue:

Who said you were driving the mk6??  :tongue: :wink:

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #22 on: 29 December 2010, 14:04 »
Say money wasn't an object, what do you think would go quicker with enough work? Not changing it so much it's not the same car, if you get me.

Would the electronics on the MK6 be slower then pure driving ability of the completely manual driven (albeit ABS & PAS) MK3?


No.

I know which i would rather be in when you hit a hedge :lipsrsealed:

I'm a sick driver beiiii.  :grin:

I'd be interested in this but I spose it's difficult to find out, the MK6 having such a more powerful base and chassis to start with.

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Offline Ess_Three

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #23 on: 29 December 2010, 14:28 »

No.

Yes.

The Mk6 reigns in the power when XDS/TSC are operational, even with ESP off...whereas a purely mechanical LSD in a decent c/r gearbox doesn't...and a NA torque delivery is more linear anyway...so less likely to require a mid corner/full power correction anyway.

The Mk6 electronics do indeed hamper progress at times...certainly when re-mapped.


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I know which i would rather be in when you hit a hedge :lipsrsealed:

Agreed...which is why we drive multi-airbagged Mk6s.

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #24 on: 29 December 2010, 14:31 »
I wonder with MY11 model mk6 GTIs how they have 2 esp lights/pics on the dash now and one says off on it if the newer ones can be turned off fully?  :undecided:
I expect you can also fit an LSD in the mk6 box as a few did with the mk5 and noticed an improvment.
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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #25 on: 29 December 2010, 14:32 »
Say money wasn't an object, what do you think would go quicker with enough work? Not changing it so much it's not the same car, if you get me.

The Mk6...it has an engine capable of far more power and a vastly better chassis.
Modify a Mk3 and you can make it quicker - in places - than a Mk6 GTI...but that Mk6 will be either standard or mildly tweaked.

Take the Mk6 to a similar level of suspension tuning (camber adjusted for example), better dampers etc, add a LSD, up the power and the better chassis will show. The Mk6 will ultimately be the faster car...ultimately the difference in weight is not enough to offset the vastly better chassis on the Mk6.

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #26 on: 29 December 2010, 14:37 »
LSD on a Mk6 would make it far better...as long as you could re-calibrate TCD/remove XDC.

Add some more front negative camber to dial out underster...and even with the ACC dampers in 'Sport' you'd be getting the tail moving...so maybe different ARBs and change a few bushes and the Mk6 would be superb.

It's just that on such a new (and under warranty) car, changing the position of suspension pick up points etc has implications...
It's harder to do on a Mk5/Mk6, compared to the earlier Golfs.

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #27 on: 29 December 2010, 14:41 »
Im guessing but could be wrong that the mk6 has the same front bottom arms as the mk5 and that GTI engineering still do the modified ones to increase the negative camber?
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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #28 on: 29 December 2010, 15:01 »
Im guessing but could be wrong that the mk6 has the same front bottom arms as the mk5 and that GTI engineering still do the modified ones to increase the negative camber?

No, it appears not the same arms...Didn't SteveP try to fit a Whiteline anti-lift kit (WALK) and it didn't go?
Mk5 has alloy bottom arms doesn't it?
Steel on the Mk6...and obviously slight geometry tweaks.

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Re: Shock. Horror!
« Reply #29 on: 29 December 2010, 15:02 »
A adjustable top mount will do it...but again, going to a rose-jointed, adjustable top mount is not exactly refined on a new road car.

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