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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #50 on: 28 December 2010, 21:39 »
Bar my carbs no mate. Orderin starts next week hopefully mate.

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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #51 on: 28 December 2010, 21:46 »
cool
will have to take the manifold off that other engine an have a look at it aswell
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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #52 on: 28 December 2010, 21:58 »
Yeh mate get your stub axle made up ready mate. One more thing out the way then

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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #53 on: 28 December 2010, 23:01 »
For the driver you really need a crossflow head, to put the carbs out the front, away from the heat of the exhaust. 

2.0 Passats and Sharans are willing and cheap donors, although you'll need to get an oil return welded up/blocked off.
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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #54 on: 28 December 2010, 23:06 »
im going to make up an airbox for them that will encase the carbs and seal against the bonnet,then have a cold air feed from the hole in the inner wing
.im also thinking of adding in the standard hot air flap to help with cold running but i dont know if it will work
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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #55 on: 29 December 2010, 16:29 »
And never mind the heat from the exhaust manifold?

Not sure you've fully thought this through.... :tongue:
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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #56 on: 29 December 2010, 16:34 »
And never mind the heat from the exhaust manifold?

Not sure you've fully though this through....

Or even thought it about it.

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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #57 on: 29 December 2010, 19:39 »
i would have thought boxing the carbs in would have reduced the heat alot.and with the constant cold air flowing into the carbs i wouldnt have thought it would have time to heat up before being sucked into the engine.
i want to avoid taking the head off if possible as it wil add more time and expense to the setup.
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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #58 on: 29 December 2010, 20:38 »
Then you're fooling yourself, as you'll gain probably 15% flow with a crossflow head, given the bigger valves and simply better flow across the head instead of in, turn 180, and out again. 

And the most important thing that you need to make any bike-carb-based stupidity even begin to work is flow, thus you really need to focus on improving the flow - bike carbs are one third, the head and cam the second third and the tubular manifold with a high-flow exhaust you are fitting is the last third.  You are fitting a tubular manifold, aren't you?

Plus with the crossflow you'll lose the heatsoak from the carbs being over the exhaust manifold, which is likely to deliver vapour-lock in traffic conditions, which will be funny. 

Plus you'll be able to increase the manifold runner length, which will strengthen the torque curve, lower down allowing you to actually race to the red-line instead of bogging down in the mid-range.

After all, taking the head off an engine is a terribly complex job, which few people have under-taken successfully - far more complex than a quad-carb conversion....
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Re: project:1.6 driver,aka the beast
« Reply #59 on: 29 December 2010, 20:49 »
love it martin i fink ur cars well smart and we just need to get them new wheels on her then it'l be sorted m8 and the bike carb set up will work fine with ur air box idea and with a good exhaust manifold that's heat wrapped u'l get away with it on traffic when ur standing still aslong as u leave the bottom of the air box bair shiney metal so it reflects the heat and hve a good cold air feed wich u do have.


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