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Offline Justins145bhpMK1

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air flow meter
« on: 01 February 2005, 16:30 »

Whereabouts is this on my mk3 8v?? If its knackered is there anyway of telling visually, can it be cleaned out etc???

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #1 on: 03 February 2005, 16:43 »
Just above the airbox, it has a 3 pin plug on it. Why would it be knackered, what's your symptoms? Replacing parts at random to try and solve a problem is expensive and not the way to do it. I would leave well alone inside as well. I don't have much knowledge on the Golf system, but these meters are fairly standard. If it's a Hot Wire arrangement, it's fairly susceptible to damage as there's a small element inside.

Let us know the problem and I may be able to help further.

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #2 on: 04 February 2005, 09:22 »

HI Phil,

Ive had hideous probs with my car stuttering for months now. Its as if there is a slight misfire when accelarating more noticeable when you hit 4000rpm and it doesnt want to rev any higher. I cant get it over 95 on a motorway.

Have replaced relays, lambda, coil plugs, rotor, dizzy, leads. Cleaned the throttle body out. Run it for 3000 miles on injectore cleaner. Bugger all difference. Its getting progressively worse.

This weekend im going to clean out all the pipes as im told this may help? And I was thinking of cleaning out the airflow meter aswell.

Car has been on 2 diagnostic systems and no fault codes, every bit of the electrical system has checked out ok, so my mechanic reckons it could be a knackered injector... he says it runs as if its over advanced but the timing is spot on.

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #3 on: 10 February 2005, 09:06 »
From your profile, I assume you have a Mk1 Golf. My brother has a Mk2 and his airflow meter is the older flapper type. Inside there a flap that progressively opens on increased airflow, and this changes the voltage the ECU see.

If you think that there are 3 elements that make your car start, run and accelerate - air, fuel and spark, it's as simple as that. Generally air is not a problem unless you have a nest hampster in your intake! However, ensure the filter is not overly blocked.

If it's generally running ok, then one could assume that the spark is always present. This could be weak and at certain points causing a lack of power. Have you changed these. I work on MX-5s and these get a hard time and a simple plug change can cure a problem. Whilst you have them out, take a look at the colour of the plugs, do they indicate the mixture is lean (lack of colour and glazed)?

The more complicated tests involve the fuelling. If the mixture is lean then for some reason the engine isn't getting enough fuel, and this could be down to a number of reasons. Without being rude, this is beyond most mechanics, who generally guess at what is wrong and you end up changing parts in an attempt to try and resolve the problem. You could have low fuel pressure, the airflow meter is not reporting voltages properly, dirty injector, incorrect Lambda reading. Your really need some equipment to test this, plus some additional information. Do you know what sort of fuel pressure is normal at wide open throttle or the vacuum line disconnected from the fuel pressure regulator? You could log the voltages from the airflow meter at different loads and see if the information is correct. If it's like our 1600 MX-5 it works on a 0-5v range, the higher number low load and idle, the higher the load the lower the voltage (later MAS type airflow meters work the other way around). I guess the diagnostics would throw a code for the Lambda sensor? On high load you should see a voltage of around 0.8volts.

Does that help?

Phil

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #4 on: 10 February 2005, 11:19 »
I have a MK3 Phil, used to have a MK1

Had the car put on all manner of tests, no fault codes. The lambda was giving a low stop value??!? So I had that replaced.

All the electrical circuits etc have been tested and my diagnostic man reckoned it was a mechanical misfire prob due to injectors. Done 300miles of varied driving on injector cleaner to no avail.

Only thing that makes a difference is unplugging the MAF!!!

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #5 on: 23 March 2005, 21:50 »
Sounds like a similar problem that i have with my 16v, changed allsorts and still no better. Have you found out what the problem is yet ? I am at the stage where the garage have put some type of injector cleaner in and told me to run it for a few miles !!

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #6 on: 30 March 2005, 15:48 »

I cleaned up the 'hotwires' on the MAF and the car runs perfectly !!!

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #7 on: 03 April 2005, 10:57 »
I'm having exactly the same problem, a slight stutter at low speeds but a horrendous shake at 3000rpm, and it won't go past 70ish.

Justin, any help you can give me about what exactly you did would be fantastic - Im going to have a go in a min at finding the MAF and giving it a clean. I've changed the plugs, leads, rotor arm, distributor cap etc, and it's booked in for a diagnostic test on Monday.

Heres hoping I've finally found what the problem is...

My e-mail address is gavin.craddock@dsl.pipex.com

Update:

I unplugged the MAF as you suggest, and the car is back to 100%, except for the crappy fuel economy. Now to work out how to clean / replace it...
« Last Edit: 03 April 2005, 14:16 by gavcradd »
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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #8 on: 04 April 2005, 22:02 »
where do i have to clean, is it the 3 contacts where the connector goes or do i have to open up the black unit?? Also, how are the 'HOT' wires identified??

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Re: air flow meter
« Reply #9 on: 05 April 2005, 11:51 »
I couldn't work that out either, kr1s77...If it's knackered, then I know Car Transplants  have gota few in (I got one from them yesterday) for £50 + VAT, or VW main dealers do a reconditioned one for £75 (not sure if this is with VAT or not though. A new one from VW is £270...  :cry:
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