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Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« on: 22 July 2010, 18:11 »
I just got it back from Blackstone Labs in the mail.. I will scan it tomorrow
I drive my car hard. I peeled out of the dealership with 5 miles on it and never did a break in period.

Basically it says
This is the first oil change and the high wear we are seeing is from the internal parts getting to know each other. We will probably see the results of this wear in phase for the next 3-4 oil changes. Universal averages show typical wear levels for this type of engine after about 5400 miles on the oil. The TBN was a STRONG 2.9 showing plenty of active additives left, less than 1.0 is too low. The air and oil filters are working well. For now try a couple of 5-7k oil changes untill all the metal abrasives washes out.
Elements PPM that were hi-lighted
Aluminum 9 Average is(-) 3
Iron 108 -16
Copper 38 - 6
silicon 51 - 7

Properties
SUS viscosity @ 210*F 65.7
cST viscosity @100*F 11.79
Fuel <.5% - 2.0
Antifreeze 0
Water 0 -<.1
insolubles .3% - <.6%
TBN 2.9
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #1 on: 22 July 2010, 20:07 »
So are these good or bad ?.  :huh:  :undecided:
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #2 on: 22 July 2010, 20:20 »
Can you explain your results, please.
Nice to have a well run-in engine so soon.
Nice and loose.
Feels any better?
My car has become so quiet with both engine and gearbox 'noise' significantly less.
Silky progress. :smiley:
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #3 on: 22 July 2010, 22:06 »
Well it looks like the oil itself was holding up fine. There were metal particles in the oil but this was the first oil change. I will be doing another change at 17,000 miles. I am using Mobil 1 ESP now.
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #4 on: 22 July 2010, 23:08 »
A scientific approach indeed!

I will look forward to the next set of results.  Any idea when you will have reached 17K?

Also, did you do any topping up during the first 9k?

I find on my mk 5 I have to add a bit (250ml) every 1k or so.

Brilliant work.

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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #6 on: 23 July 2010, 19:38 »
Interesting read
http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Really interesting read. :smiley:
If you don't mind me asking, which oil do you use yourself in your GTi?
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #7 on: 23 July 2010, 19:44 »
I guess that was on the original oil. He now has Mobil 1 ESP
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #8 on: 23 July 2010, 20:04 »
I guess that was on the original oil. He now has Mobil 1 ESP

But is it any good? It seems from the article Mobil 1 did not fare too well. Wonder if the Mobil 1 ESP is any better
I use Motul Specific 504 00 5W30. I wonder how this would fare? :rolleyes:
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Re: Oil analysis after 9400 miles
« Reply #9 on: 24 July 2010, 00:41 »
But is it any good? It seems from the article Mobil 1 did not fare too well. Wonder if the Mobil 1 ESP is any better
I use Motul Specific 504 00 5W30. I wonder how this would fare? :rolleyes:

Motul Specific will produce a big wear scar. If it didn't, I'd be worried.

The test they use is entirely misleading - as they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous. Firstly it is not representative of any loading condition in the engine. Secondly the results are as expected and do not highlight any deficiencies in the decent oils (Motul, Helix, Fuchs, Mobil 1) but rather show they are superior. Lastly it is a very basic comparison of oil viscosity which was created in the 1930's before we developed an understanding of the science of lubrication.

The reason the obscure and cheaper oils produced much smaller wear scars is that they are thicker at room temperature (higher base oil viscosity). In fact high viscosity is the last thing you want in a cold engine. All the decent oils shown have lower viscosity at room temp as you'd expect of 0W and 5W rated oils. You'd get a similar test result from cooking oil, and I don't think most people would consider that for their GTI engine.

Of particular note is the Penrite oil, which they claim to be the best and based on its 5W60 rating seems to be suited to a huge temperature range. However it is a high viscosity oil (proven by the testing) not suited to low temperatures and only achieves its 5W rating because of viscosity modifiers. In use these break down relatively quickly, the oil will thicken and become more like a 15W50 within 1500 miles or so - good for the high temperatures and unsophisticated V8 engines in Australia, but not really suitable for turbo motors driven in Europe.

As a side note, the oil analysis in the original post found higher concentrations of iron in the oil. This provides evidence that wear does occur as components are run in - even with the 'modern engine tolerances' which many claim make running in irrelevant.
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