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Offline iwilkins

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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #10 on: 08 July 2010, 17:57 »
Little update

It's been back to the purchasing garage and after some buggering about with the Boss man at that franchise they've done some work.

PCV valve has finally been replaced, not sure it's fixed the problem yet as i've not picked it back up.

Cam tensioner not replaced and they claim it was a clutch pipe or some such crap..... cars DSG so not convinced there.  I'll see if noise is really gone when i go back.  Is there anything they can do to temporaily 'fix' the cam belt noise ? and fob me off ?

Ah well I'll get her back and fix her myself i guess....





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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #11 on: 08 July 2010, 20:10 »
Cold start will be the test.

They wont be able to cover it up at all.

Im sorry to hear this ones gonna rumble on, shame cus its such a good car generally.


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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #12 on: 22 August 2010, 17:55 »
Sorry to hi-jack this thread!

iwilkins was good enough to post on a thread I have on uk-mkivs.net as I have more or less the exact same cold start problem on my recently acquired Edition 30 with the odd judder on idel as well.

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/369512.aspx

I have had the car into VW and the only thing they found wrong was a problem with fuel adaptation values being out of parameter, they adjusted (or reset possibly) this but it made no difference to my cold start problem. I can't hear any noticable chirp/noise from the CAM belt area but I did initially think when I first felt the judder that it felt like my timing was out. I've now seen that it's quite a common problem on the Edition 30's that the CAM belt tensioner has needed replacing. My car is an 07 plate with only 21K on the clock.

Could my problem also be the CAM tensioner starting to fail? I know the high pressure fuel pump is powered of the CAM so it would make sense to me that if the timing was out that possibly fuel pressure may not be as it should when the engine catches on a cold start 
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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #13 on: 23 August 2010, 00:24 »
Hi again ..

I've just got mine back and tried a cold start this morning.  Started very well actually, much improved over how it was prior to going into the garage.  However i still have the silly noises from the engine bay..... now i can only hear it from inside though and not when i lift the bonnet.  Suffice to say it's getting on my nerves again.  Noises like a deisel I know i can expect but squeaks shouldn't be present !

Anyway, they did replace the CAM belt and tensioner and the VAG master tech seemed to believe these we're causing my starting problems and causing the noises.  He's also replaced a ribbed belt tensioner as this was causing some noise and beginning to wear too.  All in all it starts better and the noise that was present is almost gone.

I'm now quite concerned about the rate it's wearing my tyre's though.  Fitted Vredseen Ulterac's to the rear after 1k miles they've worn to 6.5/7/7.5 and I had the cambre/toe done when they we're fitted.... it was way out !  IS this sort of mileage ok on these tyre's ?? I'm doing mixed motorway and country road driving but not really pushing it at all...

I'll be honest.... I love the car but i'm starting to get sick of the many 'quite minor' issue's and I'm considering returning it and insisting on a refund !  I don't want to do that tbh but it's been in the garage for 2 weeks of the 12 that i've had it and i was on holiday for one lol.

It's going to have to go back in despite it starting better as the noise is still unsatisfactory.  I've also noticed some 'drift' on the motorway on the return leg home and suspect the stearing rack bushes are on their way out as well............

I'd like to say i'm happy with the car but at the moment it's a pain in the backside and a hassle i can do without at the moment !  I'll keep you posted on progress....
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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #14 on: 23 August 2010, 10:18 »
Do you know I felt exactly as you did when I started to get my cold start problems - I really did consider rejecting the car once I'd been to VW and was told they didn't know what was wrong as the computer says no (errors).

A lot of threads I've read say that the squeaks can be the CAM belt rubbing on the CAM cover but I wouldn't expect this now you've had yours changed.

I actually took my car out yesterday to nip to the shop and I had my girlfriend with me, while the car was still fairly cold between 1.5K and 3K revs I could actually hear a squeak, or chirp as it's often described on numerous forums from the cabin. I lifted the bonnet once stationary and listened over the CAM cover but couldn't hear anything.

Could I ask a favour please? Can you give me the number of your dealership and tell me the tech's name who changed your CAM belt? I just want to speak to him and say I have the same cold start problem and the only thing my local stealers found was that the fuel adpation was out and would this fit with a timing problem. If I take it back to my VW stealer and tell them this I just know they're not going to take me seriously. They really didn't have a clue last time and as I said before their answer was "maybe it's just like that" which is BS.

If I were you I'd take the car back and kick up a stink with the service manager - it's really not on to give the car back to you and it still had something wrong.
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Offline Gene Hunt.

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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #15 on: 23 August 2010, 12:59 »
Hi again ..

I've just got mine back and tried a cold start this morning.  Started very well actually, much improved over how it was prior to going into the garage.  However i still have the silly noises from the engine bay..... now i can only hear it from inside though and not when i lift the bonnet.  Suffice to say it's getting on my nerves again.  Noises like a deisel I know i can expect but squeaks shouldn't be present !

Anyway, they did replace the CAM belt and tensioner and the VAG master tech seemed to believe these we're causing my starting problems and causing the noises.  He's also replaced a ribbed belt tensioner as this was causing some noise and beginning to wear too.  All in all it starts better and the noise that was present is almost gone.

I'm now quite concerned about the rate it's wearing my tyre's though.  Fitted Vredseen Ulterac's to the rear after 1k miles they've worn to 6.5/7/7.5 and I had the cambre/toe done when they we're fitted.... it was way out !  IS this sort of mileage ok on these tyre's ?? I'm doing mixed motorway and country road driving but not really pushing it at all...

I'll be honest.... I love the car but i'm starting to get sick of the many 'quite minor' issue's and I'm considering returning it and insisting on a refund !  I don't want to do that tbh but it's been in the garage for 2 weeks of the 12 that i've had it and i was on holiday for one lol.

It's going to have to go back in despite it starting better as the noise is still unsatisfactory.  I've also noticed some 'drift' on the motorway on the return leg home and suspect the stearing rack bushes are on their way out as well............

I'd like to say i'm happy with the car but at the moment it's a pain in the backside and a hassle i can do without at the moment !  I'll keep you posted on progress....
...........the tyre wear sounds way too much to me. I've had my Vreds on for 15 months now & there is wear on the front BUT still loads left & the rears still look brand new. I would have the tracking checked again.
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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #16 on: 23 August 2010, 15:52 »
In fairness they gave me the car back with something wrong but it was a Saturday and the chap working on the car had already ordered an additional belt to cure the noise.  He wasn't in on the Saturday to fit the part.... so maybe if he had have been it wouldn't have happened.

ansGTI I'll mail you over the garage I'm using when i get home, on the iphone at the moment :P  Starting problem is still there btw, started like a dog again this morning so the CAM Belt didn't fix the starting issue as i thought it may have done.  Noise still there as mentioned above just nothing like as bad.  Gonna give that the benefit of the doubt tbh and wait ffor the belt to bed in !

The tyre's i'm a bit bemused by to be honest.  I had it hunter tracked at almost the same time as i had the tyre's fitted.  The front is now wearing nice and even and i've not hit anything.  Both rears are wearing unevenly.......  Add to this the slight 'wandering' it does and this is above the normal tramline effect and the terrible sport max tyre's they fitted on the front and it's a terrible situation.

I'm already speaking to the Director of the current dealership directly.  Very nice chap to be honest and very helpful at the moment.  I'm just a little sick of going back and forth.  I've left it in limbo at the moment.  Going to decide this evening/tomorrow whether to keep the car and persevre with fixing the problems OR return it and look for something else..........

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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #17 on: 23 August 2010, 20:12 »
Oh bugger - I just called my local stealer's today and asked was there any way a timing problem could account for my cold starting problem. The service manager said he'd ask and come back to me but he never called me back.

I'm about to give a VW master technician who does work on the side and I'm told "he's very good" - I got his number from a friend. I'll see if he'll have a look at it in his spare time as now I am cucking flueless about what the problem could be.

I'm sure my problem is getting worse, as it turns over it jumps to 400rpm splutters and then jumps up to 1100rpm and starts toidle normally and the whole process is so noticeable (even to a passenger who knows nothing about cars   

I really am sick of my Edition 30 too - have you tried thrashing yours at all? I gave mine a spirited drive on the way home this evening and once I hit 6K revs I backed off as the noise of  the engine just didn't sound like a sporty car being thrashed, it sounded so loud in the cabin. The engine was warm, I never hammer a car until it's up to temp and I was "told" the car's last owner was middle aged lady but I'm beginning to wonder if she used to drive the bloody thing with no oil now  :sad:

My old MKIV 1.8T used to sound good getting the odd red-lining but I couldn't bare to do this in my Edition 30 (for the 1st time in 3 weeks of ownership).

Have you suggested they monitor the duty cycle of the injectors?
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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #18 on: 23 August 2010, 21:09 »
At this point there's still sadly a few things it could be mine included.  Coil pack, spark plugs(though unlikely), fuel pump maybe the MAF sensor.  That's just the one's i can come up with i'm sure there's a longer list :P  PCV has already been replaced so it's not that....

I've given the car some stick when I've been able to tbh, I tore a few strips of a very nice R32 on the way home... don't think he was playing though :-(.  I've certainly no problems from that point of view, very smooth all way to redline with little or no drama .... save for the wheelspin cause of the crappy tyre's :P.  It's no noisey as such, sure you can hear the engine and the turbo whine but it's not in a bad way by any means.

What's yours sounding like to make you think it's not 100% ??

Duty Cycle of the injectors is beyond me knowledge :P explain pls someone :D
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Re: Poor start to GTi Life !!
« Reply #19 on: 23 August 2010, 21:20 »
It was suggested I monitor the injectors to see if there was any problems as someone suggested I had a leaky injector. The fuel pressure maybe falling when the car is left to stand due to this any may require that extra turn to get back up to where it should be.

injector cleaner has also been suggested but the only thing I feel like chucking in the fuel tank is a match.

Mine just sounds way too (uncomfortably) loud when it hits 6K or thereabouts to me, no nasty noises just a very loud engine noise that maybe about to explode  :laugh:
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