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Offline rockored

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STAGE 2??
« on: 29 June 2010, 15:40 »
Hello all,
I have a '02 GTi (AUM). Its been remapped to 'about 200bhp' according to the tuner (not been dyno'd). It certainly feels like it so I dont doubt him.

Now looking at Stage 2 options.

If I go for full airtake/ full exhaust & stage2 remap what increase could I expect?

What other bits of kit would I need? I presume a R32 rear valence to take the exhaust, would I need new dump valve, fuel pump etc etc??



thanks in advance guys,

Nick.

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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #1 on: 29 June 2010, 16:05 »
You might want to contact R Tech direct for specific details
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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #2 on: 29 June 2010, 16:47 »
R32 exhaust system is just for show. If you want power Milltek recommend either the 4 motion tailpipes or Anni tailpipe

Expect around 220bhp with Pipercross filter, Turbo back exhaust system with sports CAT, Forge turbo intake pipe, Forge 007p recirc valve and stage 2 remap


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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #3 on: 29 June 2010, 17:25 »
Id ditch the exhaust and spend it on a fmic. Got to be nuts to go stage two without one. How long do you want 220bhp ? Not very long if you dont have a fmic to keep intake temps down!

Thats what r-tech recommend and they do stage two for you without a performance exhaust.

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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #4 on: 29 June 2010, 17:54 »
Im running a R-Tech AGU K03s spec2 remap on standard side mount intercooler. Pushing 231bhp & 256lb/ft torque.

If you dont have a good exhaust system the dont expect best power from your map as it'll be restricting the turbo spool.


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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #5 on: 29 June 2010, 18:07 »
True but doubt its much at all maybe 2-5bhp. Obviously more responsive though. Id still say defo get a fmic though.

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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #6 on: 29 June 2010, 19:46 »
True but doubt its much at all maybe 2-5bhp. Obviously more responsive though. Id still say defo get a fmic though.

FMIC is not even a stage 2 requirement, only real need for FMIC is track days, under normal driving and just quick strip runs, it will not really benifit you. On the track with all that heat under the bonnet things will start to take a different toll, which is were the performance will hit a decline.

It's all down to preference, do you want it for looks or a track day toy?

Plus remember the negatives of the IC, putting a bigger IC on will cause more restrcition than in a small IC (just because its bigger, does not make it better), which is where you need to weigh the pro's and cons of what the temperture of air is in the system vs ambient temperture outside to result in gains (if there are any or if under certain conditions). Then the climate in UK, only time the IC really plays a roll is in the summer were it's more than enough, whilst autumn ands winter its not needed due to the cool/cold air and it's density, which brings it back to trackday or just looks. Then there is other pointers to remember, what route are you taking in the bay, such as the same way as before ot over the rocker to accomadate the IC (which brings more heat into the equation), then there is the question about piping, you sticking to 50mm or going bigger, bigger piping and longer runs result in more lag... Then are you going to wrap it up to reduce heat etc...

Not having a dig, but its down to what you want, whether for looks, or no real need to trackdays.
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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #7 on: 29 June 2010, 19:57 »
I know your not having a dig :D just my opinion on it, i do think that it would benefit daily driving, stuck it traffic etc, my a3 1.8t used to bog down after a couple of hours driving, was okay in the winter, and that was running unmapped boost, i just think turning the boost up to mega boost is going to cause loads of heatsoak on the tiny smic. The standard intercoolers are going to start to heat up from the minute you go. exhaust being so hot and that, various people ive heard from who have fitted them said they didnt notice any more lag and said that their car just felt as responsive as it did first thing when theyve been driving around for a few hours. you can make them up yourself for around £300, £220 on the a3's. R-tech do say too have a fmic when going stage 2 and say it doesnt matter about exhaust too much.

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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #8 on: 29 June 2010, 20:06 »
well, since fitting my fmic i have noticed it brings inlet temps right down which is what you need to help avoid detonation and allow the air to be more dense. another thing to consider is to always run 97+ ron fuel. i usually stick to the tesco 99 momentum stuff, its oh and 99ron doesnt mean its better either. there is another rating to look out for apparently, i read somewhere, just cant remember what it was..lol

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Re: STAGE 2??
« Reply #9 on: 29 June 2010, 20:21 »
The idea is to get the air flowing in faster and cooler, and get the gasses out quicker and cooler. and at the same time maintaining the best ignition advance and lambda.  The more mods the better.  For summer months a FMIC is need to maintain the power, but on a cold damp winters morning the car will be off its t@ts just with oem side mount.




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