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Offline Gambit

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #60 on: 04 January 2005, 17:45 »
i have an old VW marketing advert where they state the 0-60 for a 16v is 7.3s. the 7.9s book figure is with a passenger and half tank of fuel

most 16v's nowadays are well over 125k, and if your over that and havent got a new set of rings at some point then you'll be slightly down on power.

8v vs 16v - will it ever cease!!! ive put up graphs showing the 16v is better across the whole rev range than an 8v

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #61 on: 04 January 2005, 18:15 »
I'll second that - prepare to be humbled by an 8v? :smiley:

Right, Inters this Year we need a 8 valve? Vs. 16 valve and see who comes out on top? :cool:

But i will concede, if they were that similar why did VW bother to build the 2 side by side ???

BUT a later 8 valve in good condition, that's nice amd loose with a sneaky chip and exhaust / filter will more than give you a run for your money!

The 16v really does lose out in by book by having mechanical fuel injection ...? so bin it and get some DCOE's !! That's half the reason you seem to get such a mixed back - dodgy tuning and making it worse !!

another 8v owner i see....

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #62 on: 07 January 2005, 11:07 »
So, does everyone agree about the top speeds then, being 119 and 129mph?

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #63 on: 07 January 2005, 11:13 »
I can confirm the 8 valve top speed to be about that (GPS Confirmed too so no dodgy speedo readings).

After 120 she's off the clock and revving past it's peak power, so anything more is academic really. I'll say one thing though, she gets there pretty quick!


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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #64 on: 07 January 2005, 12:25 »
I'm as chuffed as a dog with two d1cks reading this thread as it seems that a standard mk2 8v has the same bhp (112) as my hairdressers car !!!!  :wink: :grin:  :grin:
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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #65 on: 08 January 2005, 20:58 »
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mk2 8v has the same bhp (112) as my hairdressers car

But because it has a roof made from tent material it wont keep up  :rolleyes:

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #66 on: 10 January 2005, 11:46 »
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mk2 8v has the same bhp (112) as my hairdressers car

But because it has a roof made from tent material it wont keep up :rolleyes:

In that case it would have less weight so would be a better power to weight ration surely :wink: You should have mentioned that due to the "tent material"  roof the weight was made up in a heavier floorpan. I was takin the p1ss by the way :rolleyes:
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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #67 on: 10 January 2005, 16:51 »
i doubt there will be much difference really they both weigh pretty much the same :huh:

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #68 on: 10 January 2005, 18:11 »
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I was takin the p1ss by the way

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Re: MK2 Performance?
« Reply #69 on: 11 January 2005, 13:17 »
for those who don't know:

as gibby said, the heavier floorpan will make up for the weight of the missing roof.

however, i think its worse than that.

if you can imagine a car being a shoe box with the lid on, the box is quite rigid, it wont flex much. however, if you remove the lid, you'll find the box will now flex quite badly.

a car is much like the principle you see in that shoe box.

if you put the lid onto the bottom of the shoe box, you'll find that it flexes just as much as without the lid anywhere near it, yet with the lid underneath the weight of the box is still the same as when the lid was on top.

the key to Cabr designers is to put in enough metal underneath in such a way to limit that flexing (which i think is called Scuttle - not sure). the increase in cold hard metal then takes the vehicle way beyond the original weight.

the problem with the new cabs by renault and someone else with the automatic roof is not the weight of the roof or mechanism so much as the increase in weight from reinforcing the damn thing - its a big car, with a huge open deck - and you still have a metal roof and the power mechanism.

so when merc make a cab that doesn't weigh as much as a Sherman, you begin to understand how well designed they are in the first place and why they tend not to go for the "grinder" option to create a cab.

it could also be a reason why a mk2 cab was never made.