MK2 Performance?

[Zoid]

Look I've just been and seen a Mk2 16v today, 3door, metallic black, full VWSH, only87k, which I should be the new owner of next week 
However the different between the 2 cars is not massive like many 16v owners would like to make out, the way some of you guys go on about them is if there are F1 cars. Quicker than an 8v, absolutely, 1.5 secs quicker to 60mph, no way Jos?. Driving the 16v today I totally agree the 8v doesn't have more torque, the valver I drove pulled really well from low down, and it pulled really hard all the way to the red line, long after the 8v has run out of puff. This is for me what makes it more rewarding to drive, when you want to push on, the vavler is more than happy to oblige.

[VeeDubGTI16v]

theres a good 1 to 1.5 secs difference in the 0-60. give me some proof 8v owners and ill shut up ok?

and zoid you have to drive the 16v different power doesnt run out at 5,000rpm anymore

[Zoid]

and zoid you have to drive the 16v different power doesnt run out at 5,000rpm anymore

I know, that's why I said...

"and it pulled really hard all the way to the red line, long after the 8v has run out of puff."

As in the 8v runs of steam @ 5.5k, where as the valver pulls hard all the way to 6.5k

[VeeDubGTI16v]

so how can you say its less than a second difference? you can rev all the way to 7,000/7,100 in a 16v, and ive seen dyno results that prove its not worth going over 5,000 in an 8v.

[tinman]

Look I've just been and seen a Mk2 16v today, 3door, metallic black, full VWSH, only87k, which I should be the new owner of next week?
However the different between the 2 cars is not massive like many 16v owners would like to make out, the way some of you guys go on about them is if there are F1 cars. Quicker than an 8v, absolutely, 1.5 secs quicker to 60mph, no way Jos?. Driving the 16v today I totally agree the 8v doesn't have more torque, the valver I drove pulled really well from low down, and it pulled really hard all the way to the red line, long after the 8v has run out of puff. This is for me what makes it more rewarding to drive, when you want to push on, the vavler is more than happy to oblige.

how shall i put this - alot of 16v's are not giving their best.

a friend bought a 70k 16v a year ago. beautiful car, vwfsh, hundreds of receipts, and very original.

nice fast car, except my valver would leave it for dead. thats life.

[Zoid]

I Agree,  the last 2 16v's I've driven must have been down on power and were quite disappointing, the one I drove yesterday pulled much better in the higher revs, and was much more what I was expecting. All I'm saying is the difference is not as much as allot of owners make out. For me it's not so much about performance (personally I couldn't give a rats arse if a 16v just a bit quicker or miles quicker) it more about enjoyment, I just found the 16v I drove yesterday more enjoyable, with slightly sharper handling, and being able to hang onto the revs.
Oh and there's something about having that red '16v' badge that makes it feel that little bit special 

[tinman]

I just found the 16v I drove yesterday more enjoyable, with slightly sharper handling, and being able to hang onto the revs.

i think you are spot on. the 8v owners dont understand that the 16v is a totally different package.

[VeeDubGTI16v]

you will find when you drive hard you need a revvy engine to take corners quick aswell. its not just about the 0-60, its where the power is thats important i think. theres probably more of a difference between the two on a track than a drag strip anyway theres nothing wrong with 8v's they are just not the race machine a 16v is

[Dizzie]

what about a 20v mk2? 
somewhere around 6.8 last time I checked 

[VeeDubGTI16v]

yeah but thats cheating