Golf GTI VI (BSR tuning) vs. Golf R = Tie

[Saint Steve]

Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.

And that is most important in the 'real' world, don't you think? Our speed limit vomit on motorways is 70 mph!
As one knowledgeable member said on the VW Chat thread, 'VW have to restrict the GTI because of those stupid overweight, numb, bloated VR6/R32/R models'. 

 

[mac7]

Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.

Here's a bit of anoraky info for you. I checked the weights of the cars from VW's German website and discovered an error of sorts in the UK brochure. The R is only 128kgs heavier than the GTI - the UK brochure weight for the GTI doesn't include 68kg for the driver and 7kg for luggage. 

Golf GTI 3dr manual 1393kg
Golf R 3dr manual 1521kg

Those weights include a 68kg driver, 7kg of luggage and a 90% full fuel tank... not sure what the 7kg of luggage consists of 

Having said that, the R is still 20 stone (one fat bloke) heavier than the GTI - and it feels it too. I have no doubt a remapped GTI would keep pace with me in most circumstances.

As one knowledgeable member said on the VW Chat thread, 'VW have to restrict the GTI because of those stupid overweight, numb, bloated VR6/R32/R models'. 

  so my car's a little overweight - but it has a really good personality 

[SteveP]

^^^ Mine had no trouble keeping up with (and then passing) a Golf R on the Ring a few a weeks ago (both cars where 5 door DSG's and carrying two passengers) 

[am1w]

The momentum a fat man gathers can be quite frightening and sickening and even more so when he tries to decelerate.

[Saint Steve]

Id still have an R if i could afford to find another 15k for it

[am1w]

Id still have an R if i could afford to find another 15k for it

You need to buy my self clocking GTi.
Wolfgang has discovered the elixir of eternal youth.
Wish it could be transferred to his owner! Selfish sod!

[Saint Steve]

Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.

Having said that, the R is still 20 stone (one fat bloke) heavier than the GTI -.

I am that Bloke

[BCR]

26hp increase? Is that it?

 
In Sweden, BSR is often compared to Bluefin who claims more power (265 HP I guess). But often the BSR tuned GTI´s are quicker.
I don´t think pure HP-figures gives you the whole explanation. I think a well done work by skilled programmers can do a lot for driveability. Things like torque, throttle-response, spool-up etc and other tricks maybe play a big difference.

PS. BSR also deliver some electronics/programming for Koenigsegg, see http://www.koenigsegg.com/

/HÃ¥kan

[ErikGTI]

An ABT remapped GTI did at peak 275 km per hour 2 weeks ago on the Ring I read the proud owner's mail at the dealer...
The owner seems a normal guy with no testeron problems or other macho problems.....he just went fast.. .

Now the first thing that comes to my mind is.....they made the 300 now 280 on the dials...will this suffice after a VW ABT remap...that is a bit sloppy isn't it....to see the neddle stuck....

I have become too scared to drive fast...I mean above 200 is my un-comfort zone...so I will never find out...
( I had a totall loss crash in 1995 my fault ....kind of wake-up call.....)

[am1w]

I have become too scared to drive fast...I mean above 200 is my un-comfort zone...so I will never find out...
( I had a totall loss crash in 1995 my fault ....kind of wake-up call.....)

In my long and adventurous life, I have had 3 total loss crashes! Only one my fault. Yes, I was a slow learner. The fourth time will be final!