Golf GTI VI (BSR tuning) vs. Golf R = Tie

[VWKev]

Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.

In those conditions... you probably wouldnt have

You have lost me.

from a standing start, in the wet? 


I hate to spell it out but the GTI would have got mullered

Ak ok I got you.

[ErikGTI]

...if this is with 26 PK more !!!!.....than a GTI with 45 PK more would easily make up for a worse start in the wet very quickly afterwards 

[PenguinGTI]

Here's the thing right. Assuming both cars are equipped with DSG and both have an equal power figure (for arguments sake 265bhp) then the FWD will eventually beat the 4WD due to transmission loss.

For those that don't know what that is imagine running around on your two legs and compare this to running on your arms and legs (all fours). Sure you might have better grip but you get tired quicker because your using more of your energy to drive yourself forward. Same thing with cars.

So I can only guess that the GTI in that vid was not much more than standard power. It certainly wasn't putting out comparable power figures to the R.

My other complaint is that the GTI jumps the R at the start. For this reason I also think the GTI was not that powerful.

My final complaint is that the race is done in the rain. Surely they could have picked better conditions for such an important face off 

[PenguinGTI]

Also had a little look at the BSR site...

Apparently their stage 1 and stage 2 for the Edition 30 takes the car from a standard power output of 230bhp to maximum 308bhp. That's pretty impressive so I investigated further...

...if you go to the product page for said map then it quotes the average bhp increase as 39hp. I might not be the best at maths but

230bhp + 39 bhp = 269bhp!!! Thats about 40 bhp short of the initial claim. I'd be a bit annoyed if my map was 40 hp less than it should be.

I'd need some convincing about this company before I ever thought about them.

[PenguinGTI]

also another thing that annoyed me about this thread is the title
Golf GTI VI (BSR tuning) vs. Golf R = Tie

The GTI gets a jump on the R and the R still overtakes it by the end of the vid. No sure how that classes as a tie.

(I apologise people I have had a rant today. I will take my medication tomorrow I promise  :embarassed:)

[jdjd]

f**k the R 

[mac7]

Here's the thing right. Assuming both cars are equipped with DSG and both have an equal power figure (for arguments sake 265bhp) then the FWD will eventually beat the 4WD due to transmission loss.

Nice theory, except the traction advantage will probably have the R far enough out in front at the start that the GTI wouldn't necessarily catch up before the cars hit V-max. As the haldex disengages the rear axle after launch the difference in transmission losses for most of the run aren't as large as you think.

Assuming of course the gear ratios are the same in the GTi and R. Perhaps we'll find out at GTI International 

[PenguinGTI]

Here's the thing right. Assuming both cars are equipped with DSG and both have an equal power figure (for arguments sake 265bhp) then the FWD will eventually beat the 4WD due to transmission loss.

Nice theory, except the traction advantage will probably have the R far enough out in front at the start that the GTI wouldn't necessarily catch up before the cars hit V-max. As the haldex disengages the rear axle after launch the difference in transmission losses for most of the run aren't as large as you think.

Assuming of course the gear ratios are the same in the GTi and R. Perhaps we'll find out at GTI International 

It's not a theory.    Plenty of Audi s3 drivers have found out the hard way at Crail against me.

It's one of the problems with Subaru's and Evo's is that off the line they are brilliant but one the move the 4wd sucks much more of the engines power. True the haldex is better for that than the Subaru system for example but even the haldex uses more engine power than FWD to turn the wheels.

In the vid though if it had been a standing start the 4wd would be away. Dry road... maybe a different story?

[Saint Steve]

Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.

[am1w]

Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.

And that is most important in the 'real' world, don't you think? Our speed limit vomit on motorways is 70 mph!
As one knowledgeable member said on the VW Chat thread, 'VW have to restrict the GTI because of those stupid overweight, numb, bloated VR6/R32/R models'.