Well, I bought the 8 Valve.....

[Len]

NO!!! its coz he's got an 8 valve! lol

Must admit that my 405 Mi 16 is much better round the twisty stuff!

[mowgli]

If its a 2.0 GTi its got the same engine as the Mk3 GTi but with a fancy cover on the top.  If its the 1.8 20v, this engine was only in the Mk4 for a short time before being replaced with the 8v!!  Read into that what you want, bear in mind that the 8v carries on into the Mk5 and the Beetle whereas the 1.8 20v normally aspirated has died a death AFAIK.

I just sold a Seat Toledo V5 which is built on the same floorpan as the Golf/Bora and the build quality, ride quality etc were a massive leap over the MK3.

Yes, I have had a lot of cars, 40 to be precise...

[Neilos]

Thanks for all that info, so presumably the 2 litre has the same 2 litre 8valve as the mk3 then, same as I've got now.

Could be tempting, see what this guy comes up with.

Thanks again mate.

[Hattie]

Don't buy the GTI6 unless you like sticking bits of trim back on - that's when you're not soldering bits of wiring loom back together for a hobby. My mum has one and it's lovely to drive but it's rattling itself to pieces - just like every other Pug she's ever owned. The fact that the steering lock is compromised by the length of the six-speed gearbox sticking out the back of the engine bay is also a major irritant - it makes you look like you can't park!

[mowgli]

Don't buy the GTI6 unless you like sticking bits of trim back on - that's when you're not soldering bits of wiring loom back together for a hobby. My mum has one and it's lovely to drive but it's rattling itself to pieces - just like every other Pug she's ever owned. The fact that the steering lock is compromised by the length of the six-speed gerabox sticking out the back of the engine bay is also a major irritant - it makes you look like you can't park!

Forgot the bit about the gearbox, it's a real pain in the ar$e.

[8vgti]

Didnt the Mk4 2.0 GTIs have a 125bhp output and not the same as the mk3 8v??

[8vgti]

Didnt the Mk4 20. GTIs have a 125bhp output and not the same as the mk3 8v??

Answered my own question here sorry!!....its the 1.8 non-turbo which is 125bhp

[Neilos]

Don't buy the GTI6 unless you like sticking bits of trim back on - that's when you're not soldering bits of wiring loom back together for a hobby. My mum has one and it's lovely to drive but it's rattling itself to pieces - just like every other Pug she's ever owned. The fact that the steering lock is compromised by the length of the six-speed gearbox sticking out the back of the engine bay is also a major irritant - it makes you look like you can't park!

I did have a Pug 306 before the Golf, it was a V-reg,  HDI D turbo, it was identical looking to the GTI6 but obviously Diesel.  It looked good, handled very well but the Diesel just wasn't quick enough, only had it about 8 months, I took a loan out to buy it (at a shade under ?7k)  and I'm still bloody paying it off now, I bought it 2 years ago!! Big mistake!  Although I have to say, I never had any problems with trim falling off or wiring!?  I don't get what you mean about the gearbox and making it look like you can't park?!? Did I miss read something there!?

[mowgli]

Don't buy the GTI6 unless you like sticking bits of trim back on - that's when you're not soldering bits of wiring loom back together for a hobby. My mum has one and it's lovely to drive but it's rattling itself to pieces - just like every other Pug she's ever owned. The fact that the steering lock is compromised by the length of the six-speed gearbox sticking out the back of the engine bay is also a major irritant - it makes you look like you can't park!

I did have a Pug 306 before the Golf, it was a V-reg,? HDI D turbo, it was identical looking to the GTI6 but obviously Diesel.? It looked good, handled very well but the Diesel just wasn't quick enough, only had it about 8 months, I took a loan out to buy it (at a shade under ?7k)? and I'm still bloody paying it off now, I bought it 2 years ago!! Big mistake!? Although I have to say, I never had any problems with trim falling off or wiring!?? I don't get what you mean about the gearbox and making it look like you can't park?!? Did I miss read something there!?

In a word, yes    The GTi6 has a six speed gearbox, hence the 6 in the name.  To get the sixth cog in the gearbox had to be extended, which meant it got in the way of the steering rack, so they had to reduce the amount of lock available so the turning circle is a hell of a lot worse than the Golf.  Very fast and brilliant round bends though.

[Hattie]

I doubt that you boys spend as much time as I do parking in supermarket car parks but believe me - it's a challenge in a GTi6 - and no, it's not me. I can fling my Golf or the OH's Slab into a space with no problem but the Pug is a nightmare.

P.S. Pug trim/electrics suicide takes a few years to kick in - but once it starts you'll know about it.