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Offline AlanD

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #10 on: 12 May 2010, 14:43 »
I'm not sure if the GTI engine keeps oil circulating through the turbo for a while after switching off? Maybe someone can confirm this.

The MK5 does indeed have this so I would imagine the MK6 does aswell, however it still suggested you do this "cool down" on a remapped car. What harm does 20 seconds do . .

Not sure if thats needed on the TDIs  :undecided:

Hi Alan , can you enlighten me more on this then with Diesel's? Thanks Steve


Im not really your man with diesel, hence me saying Im not really sure its needed on the TDIs, Im sure I heard this somewhere but cant confirm. Your best bet would be to ask either StevePD or Rhyso who no a decent amount on the VAG diesel engines.

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #11 on: 12 May 2010, 18:29 »
This is from the VW self study program for the 2.0 litre TSI motor (VW America):

Engine Cooling System
The engine uses a cross-flow cooling system. Engine
coolant first flows to the front of the engine from
the coolant pump. The coolant is then distributed
along ducts and circulates around the cylinders. After
circulating through the cylinder head, the coolant
is routed back to the radiator via the thermostat
housing or recirculated through the coolant pump if
the thermostat is closed.
The heat exchanger and turbocharger are part of
the engine cooling circuit. The engine oil cooler is
connected directly to the cylinder block through its
mounting subframe.
After-Run Coolant Pump V51 protects the
turbocharger bearings from overheating after engine
shut-off.
The pump is activated by the engine control module
based on programmed characteristic maps


I'd still give it 20-30 secs after a hard run as turbos get super hot. The exhaust gases at idle would provide an initial cool down before shut off
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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #12 on: 12 May 2010, 18:36 »
We are talking about our pride & joy's here , best practice look after what you have, and leave it to idle for a minute!! I'm going to do an oil change soon cars done 23,00 miles now!! just a littel TLC :cool:

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #13 on: 12 May 2010, 19:10 »
I'm going to do an oil change soon cars done 23,00 miles now!!

lol ! Blimey thats half way off me already ! catching me slowly :D

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #14 on: 12 May 2010, 19:16 »
I'm going to do an oil change soon cars done 23,00 miles now!!

lol ! Blimey thats half way off me already ! catching me slowly :D

Im a bit slow Alan lost me there mate?? :grin:

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #15 on: 12 May 2010, 19:18 »
I'm not sure if the GTI engine keeps oil circulating through the turbo for a while after switching off? Maybe someone can confirm this.

The MK5 does indeed have this so I would imagine the MK6 does aswell, however it still suggested you do this "cool down" on a remapped car. What harm does 20 seconds do . .

Not sure if thats needed on the TDIs  :undecided:

Hi Alan , can you enlighten me more on this then with Diesel's? Thanks Steve


Im not really your man with diesel, hence me saying Im not really sure its needed on the TDIs, Im sure I heard this somewhere but cant confirm. Your best bet would be to ask either StevePD or Rhyso who no a decent amount on the VAG diesel engines.

Diesels still have turbo's Alan and the same practice applies  :tongue:  Don't forget the TDI turbo's in standard form run higher levels of boost so IMO its even more necessary

As everyone has pretty much said just take the last couple of miles to your destination steady and you'll be fine and your turbo will live a long and happy life  :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #16 on: 12 May 2010, 19:18 »

The MK5 does indeed have this so I would imagine the MK6 does aswell, however it still suggested you do this "cool down" on a remapped car. What harm does 20 seconds do . .

That's a coolant pump though, isn't it?
Sure coolant keeps glowing to give equal cooling of the bearing housings (helps to prevent warping) but if you stop a petrol engine dead, with the turbo glowing red hot, you will cook the oil pretty soon after (even most synthetics), leading to deposits which can block small oilways and kill bearings.

As has been said, just give it less right foot for the last few miles, if you live in a housing estate it's easy...by the time you get from the main road to your driveway it'll have cooled down massively, give it a few seconds at idle, then turn it off. Job done.


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Im not really your man with diesel, hence me saying Im not really sure its needed on the TDIs, Im sure I heard this somewhere but cant confirm. Your best bet would be to ask either StevePD or Rhyso who no a decent amount on the VAG diesel engines.

Diesel engine EGTs and turbo temperatures are way less than those of a petrol, so it's not *as* important.
Still good practice, but you'll struggle to get a diesel engine turbo glowing red, as you can a petrol engine turbo....so it's far more important on a petrol engine turo.

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #17 on: 12 May 2010, 19:25 »
Diesels still have turbo's Alan and the same practice applies  :tongue:  Don't forget the TDI turbo's in standard form run higher levels of boost so IMO its even more necessary

Diesels may run higher boost levels due to the ignition process, but it's irrelevant...boost is not related to bearing heat.
Boost is more related to compressor trim, and affects the charge air circuit far more than the lube oil circuit of the engine.

A decent oil flowing through a modern engine will cool the bearings with roughly the same temperature of oil whether the turbo is producing 0.5 bar of pressure, or 2.0 bar of pressure, so as long as the oil is kept flowing, it remains roughly the same temperature...the turbo's turbine housing gets hot (sometimes red hot), and the compressor housing gets hot due to work done (and conduction) but the oil temperature is largely unaffected.

You keep the oil flowing, you keep the bearings from overheating. Simples.

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #18 on: 12 May 2010, 19:31 »
Im a bit slow Alan lost me there mate?? :grin:

You have done some real mileage in that thing to get to 23k already. I was just saying you have done half the mileage of my car already ;)

Diesel engine EGTs and turbo temperatures are way less than those of a petrol, so it's not *as* important.
Still good practice, but you'll struggle to get a diesel engine turbo glowing red, as you can a petrol engine turbo....so it's far more important on a petrol engine turo.

And Rhys, no one likes a smart ass ok ;) :D

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Re: Turbo - Wait Time
« Reply #19 on: 12 May 2010, 20:01 »
Im a bit slow Alan lost me there mate?? :grin:

You have done some real mileage in that thing to get to 23k already. I was just saying you have done half the mileage of my car already ;)
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He's only done 2300 miles  :tongue:  Read it again  :wink:

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