450+ ...........The eaaaasssy way

[tg1]

well just to throw my 2p in

i'd build a engine, spray it, retrim it and fit all the gubbins but by rough estimation, the tools and space required to do so would outweigh the benefits, sorry jake but fudge spending 25k on a golf, especially when you factor in, tools, space, time, learning new skills on top. unless you're blessed and have all of these already. i guess you're lots richer than me, live on your own and don't have anything better to spend it on. and have enough tools and what not to do it (i'm a jealous fudge if you can answer yes to all the above)

this isn't a dig at you personally jake, because i'd do bad bad things to own your car and respect the work that has gone into it, which i guess is lots. but i doubt i'll ever take a project on as big as yours till after the loan for the last one is paid off

and to want to build an engine for more than buying one worth more than you pay for it, built by a dude who apparently knows his stuff quite well. guess you must be bad at maths  granted the satisfaction is there but you can always go have a tommy tank with all the time you've got spare from not having to build an engine

but either way, sure you'll both have pretty fancy cars to drool over at the end of it, one way or another. it takes all sorts, if people dont pay the tuning shops, who'll develop the parts and procedures for tuning. not everyone has a lathe, welding gear etc.

and nos isn't cheating. there isn't rules to tuning really

[richw911]

Can we get back on topic?

[JC]

 


but in fairness, as horney said, Jord is doing it the RIGHT way knowing his Meckeknik skillz 

[inivid]

My input for 400bhp: 

Opt for no less than a GT3071r 63ar and 830cc injectors.  I'm not so familiar with UK tuners, as I haven't lived in Europe long.  However, Eurodyne (from Canada) has been having excellent success in North America, with their Maestro tuning suite program.

VW was screwy with how many different cylinder heads they released for the 1.8T over the years, AGU and AEB cylinder heads being the only "large-port" cylinder heads.  I'm actually looking for one of the two to further progress with my own build.  For a turbo that pushes as much as the GT3071r, I strongly recommend obtaining one of the larger cylinder heads, if you do not already have one.  In conjunction with the cylinder head, I also strongly recommend a SEM intake manifold with 70mm throttle-body, as it is proper in supporting the flow of the GT3071r.

The factory crank is sturdy enough.  No worries about breaking that.  Connecting rods, on the other hand, are essential and easy to swap out...as well as pistons.  To sum it up:  drop the oil pan, remove the cylinder head, undo the connecting rod fasteners, push the piston and connecting rods up through the top of the block, carefully re-hone the cylinder walls, properly gap the piston rings, assemble new rods and pistons, drop assembled units down into the cylinders, check clearances and reassemble the motor.  It's more in-depth than that, but it's incredibly easy.  It only requires attention to detail.

Regarding the transmission, performance differentials are awesome and I love my Quaife ATB, but it's not essential.  Drive-shafts and clutches, on the other hand, will fail if you're consistently giving it the beans.

Earlier, Bill, from Badger 5 was mentioned.  He's a good guy and knows a thing or two.

In all, I'm interested to see how your project goes. 

[jake]

Now this is what i call a debate! This to me is one of the best discussions there has been on this forum in months!

Ivor nice to hear from you mate, i agree with everything that your saying! But again missing my point to a degree. I am not slating the engine by the guy who built it , as i have read up on alot of his stuff before and he really does know his sh!t! Nor am i slating the guy whose bought it!

As the post a few threads upwards suggests, its just my mind set. Built not bought! Thats just me! I am not slating that this guy has gone out and bought it as hes spent alot of money there! And it will perform like a monster! I am just simply stating in my eyes i dont see that as a project! Its more of a good buy if you will.

I love how people keep bringing up NOS. Yet to be honest i dont even think highly of NOS, it was a test, an experiment. And it also very very rarely been done a mk4 golf! which again is why i did it! To get the mk4's out there! The car got a feature in Banzai just for having it!

But im not trying to annoy Jord with my threads. if anything compliment him on a superb buy! Its just if you imagine the build thread for this.it would be 'bought the engine', 'fitted the engine' and thats it!

But to me , i like to see the whole lot! Late nights working out why thats not working, getting parts in you thought you would never need! getting 5 mates to help you get the gearbox in, bottom end out! to me thats motorsport! but i stress! that is me! It might not be everyone!

Jake

[RandomJord]

Well that escalated quickly didn't it? 



Anyway jake, yeah, I take inboard what you're saying, yes we are going about things very differently.
If I had the knowledge I'd love to build a car from ground up, but as anyone who has witnessed me trying to change a bulb will tell you, that aint gonna happen! Also I don't have the time to do any of that, I'm running my own business, looking after my family and extended family which leaves bugger all time for much. 

So I will pay professionals to do it, I will buy parts and give them to autobarn, if someone is selling a fully specced out engine which will save me ££££ il buy it. All this will lead to the same end result you're aiming for,

Il be hooning it about with a massive smile on my face!

Oh an there's a bit more going into it than the engine.... But il keep that under my hat (sorry I didn't knit it) for now

[kcolevol]

Imagine if i said that your all wrong and that the golf should just be left as its standard self? lol 

[BaV]

Havent read all the last few posts but all i can say is Jord you have 100% made the right choice. 

Unless you are hand crafting your rods and putting every nut and bolt together yourself you have never built you own engine so to speak so what is the point in spending un needed money on buying parts brand new and getting them all put into your engine ect when you could have bought the engine you have.

Keep this nice and updated mate, need my MK4 power fix now mine has gone!

[Steve_PD]

I agree with Bav

lol at the new topic title

[jamie16v]

not sure if i am going off subject here, but i read somewhere that the 2.0 fsi crank will fit into the 1.8t block as long as you press on the oil pump gear. this will take you up to 2008cc.. im not sure what else you need for this set up though.. perhaps a rebore and bigger pistons for more im not sure. but with all the other gubbins im sure this will make a huge benifit..  only thing is i cant remember where i heared it.. im sure it was some american company selling a stoker kit for the 1.8t but i think they gave too much info away whoever they were.. perhaps i am doing the same..lol