Golf GTi vs 205 GTI

[boombang]

Me, I don't care how about anything other than handling and performance, hence the 309 is the car for me.

Sorry but i don't get that statement, i would of thought that for both of those qualities you would wanted a shorter wheel based motor, I.E. the 205, i mean the vw comparison would be the jetta, but you never see people racing or tracking them. Purely for power to weight i would of thought that the 205 would be better, and for handling i would of thought the same aswell. I know i would choose either a mk1 or 2 for a track weapon as a saloon is just too "sloppy" and wallows in the corners. (Even though i know that some of the 309s were hatchs the same still applies) What makes you choose the 309 over a 205?? 

There is a wheelbase to track ratio that is optimal - and the 309 has that.  It also has uprated torsion bars, springs, and anti-roll bars over the 205, and is slightly more forgiving without losing the lift off oversteer ability that enables utra quick cornering.  I have found the 309 to be as nimble as the 106 Gti I used to drive but with that extra bit of useability and less tendancy to just waste power.  The 309 is certainly not sloppy!

The stability is the key for me and you can feel everything thats going on.  I drove the 205 Gti and own a 205 Cti at the moment but I would chose a 309 over a 205 anyday.

Richard Burns and Colin McRae certainly never complained about their old 309's

[steviem]

or just whack the rear axle of a 309 into a 205 gti...

[Sega_Boy]

Depends who's driving

1.9 205 Pug is mightily quick, but it's French and falls to bits

Tis v true. Had the choice of a 1.6 converted XS before buying my 1.6 Driver, way quicker, but the car just felt so tinny for lack of better phrase. i want a nice safe car that can also be strong and go fast (eventually) so I got the golf!

[HARDCOR3]

i had a mi-16 205, with 309 rear beam and a mi-16 309, and i must admit, i did prefer the handling on the 309, it just felt more sure of it's self round the bends at speed.....

both were rapid tho....

[Agreeable Slick]

Me, I don't care how about anything other than handling and performance, hence the 309 is the car for me.

Sorry but i don't get that statement, i would of thought that for both of those qualities you would wanted a shorter wheel based motor, I.E. the 205, i mean the vw comparison would be the jetta, but you never see people racing or tracking them. Purely for power to weight i would of thought that the 205 would be better, and for handling i would of thought the same aswell. I know i would choose either a mk1 or 2 for a track weapon as a saloon is just too "sloppy" and wallows in the corners. (Even though i know that some of the 309s were hatchs the same still applies) What makes you choose the 309 over a 205?? 

There is a wheelbase to track ratio that is optimal - and the 309 has that.  It also has uprated torsion bars, springs, and anti-roll bars over the 205, and is slightly more forgiving without losing the lift off oversteer ability that enables utra quick cornering.  I have found the 309 to be as nimble as the 106 Gti I used to drive but with that extra bit of useability and less tendancy to just waste power.  The 309 is certainly not sloppy!

The stability is the key for me and you can feel everything thats going on.  I drove the 205 Gti and own a 205 Cti at the moment but I would chose a 309 over a 205 anyday.

Richard Burns and Colin McRae certainly never complained about their old 309's

Fair enough, i just thought the same characteristics would apply to a similar sized car as a jetta. As it is fair to say i know f**k all about the pugs, hence i just presumed that the handling of the 205 would far outweigh the 309. Courses and horses i think is the saying.  

[VeeDubGTI16v]

you barely ever see 205's on the road anymore compared to golfs, thats why i said they are sh!t cars because the majority of them are dead already

[HARDCOR3]

yer dont see many ferrari 360 modena's, dunt mean they're sh!t, but you've got a point, they are made by frogs....

[VeeDubGTI16v]

a few more pugs were built than ferraris i still think they are cool cars, dont get me wrong but i wouldnt own one for everyday use

[Judderi]

I owned a 205 lecoste version with green check interior for a while when i lived in the country. It was a right laugh! I lived in the middle of no where with some very fun roads with jumps and everything. To say the least i gave the poor little thing a hard time. Handling was a no no but apart from that it was class! I didnt care that it was a tin can and bits fell off cos it was only my daily banger. I even went over the top of the valley to the other valley on the other side OFFROAD! Lol that was fun! For a 1.4 id didnt half shift! I honestly tried to break it but it just kept coming back for more!

But in all seriousness i had 1 or 2 very lucky escapes in it and if i hadnt managed to squeeze through 2 cars sideways like james bond im pretty sure i wouldent be here remenissing about the fun i had in a peugeot 205 lecoste.

Now im a bit older and wiser im much happier in my good old golf. You cant beat the solid feel of a golf on coil overs and polly bushes!

[chris205]

I think that you guys are comparing the 205's to your modified golfs possibly??? We are talking standard vs. standard, i think if both had the same kind of things done to them the golf wouldnt stand much of a chance on a b'road. I have a 1.6 205 gti and my bro used to have a mk2 gti 8 valve and my 205 would have beatin it all the way up the range.