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Offline walchy01

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starter motor query
« on: 09 January 2010, 17:41 »
Hi There

Could someone let me know if a starter motor for the 8v and 16v are the same on a 1990 model, currently on the look out for one.

Thanks for any advice or help.


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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #1 on: 09 January 2010, 23:22 »
Same box (ish) - so should be. 020

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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #2 on: 11 January 2010, 09:32 »
no they arn't the same, 16v needs 2 terminals on the starter for the cold start system, digi only has the 1 terminal. 8v one will bolt up to a 16v but your 5th injector wont work anymore.  Which can be a problem in winter ;)

16v one will work great on an 8v tho :)
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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #3 on: 11 January 2010, 16:26 »
Thanks

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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #4 on: 13 January 2010, 22:11 »
someone may need to confirm but i think mk3 8v starters work too

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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #5 on: 14 January 2010, 10:07 »
it will work on digi 8v, but not kjet 8v or 16v for the reason i mention above. only difference is the plug on it, but the MK2 one will fit if you squeeze it in.  they are a bit beefier than mk2 ones also, good upgrade
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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #6 on: 20 January 2010, 22:02 »
I have an 8v Digifant 1990 and the starter motor which looks like the original has two spade connectors and they are both connected to something. One is at 12v with the ignition at start but the other shows 0v. I have been looking because the car stopped starting properly all of a sudden. Parked it up to wash it and it hasn't started under its own power since. Since then I managed to break the terminal from the battery feed and can't even push start it.
Have ordered a replacement from GSF together with a replacement bush. How does the bush come out?

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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #7 on: 20 January 2010, 22:42 »
The bush needs pulling out - I just used a big tap and threaded it in, then pulled it out by the tap with pliers. Be carefull not to damage the bell housing recess that it sits in.

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Re: starter motor change
« Reply #8 on: 23 January 2010, 17:07 »
Just finished changing out the starter motor on a 1991 8v (PB) and thought it might be helpful to post some comments to stop people making the same mistakes I did (only ever changed a starter motor on an Austin Mini which is a piece of cake in comparison):
Buying a replacement:
1) Got mine from GSF and was keen to get one with two spade connections as that is what the old motor had. Got them to get 8v and 16v out - they looked different but neither of them had the extra connection. Went with the 8v version as it was cheaper and looked more likely to fit the spade connector on the harness. If I did this job again I would probably get the parts somewhere else and go for a better brand (as you will see later). Here's what the old one looked like

Getting the old motor out:
1) nut holding on main feed wire was seized solid to the point where attempts to undo it just resulted in the threaded post spinning in solenoid housing. All the fiddling was too much for connector on the main cable which snapped off. Would be better to use a nut splitter. Used a hacksaw in the end to free the feed from the alternator.
2) The three bolts are bloody tight - breaker bar required. If you are using release agent use it where it's going to work - the bolts are really long and come out on the other side of the distributor so spray there and not around the bolt heads like I did.
3) even with engine supported from below when the last bolt came out the engine moved a lot and the front mount springs away from its normal position. Would have been better to use a proper engine support that holds the engine at the top.
4) Don't use Haynes - not a single bit of the manual I had was correct for a GTI. Not a single mention of the need to support the engine - good job I have a Bentley manual too.

Fitting the replacement:
1) Should have fitted the new bush I bought but I figured that it was going to be tricky as it was a cold day (aluminium expands/contracts more than bronze) and the existing one didn't look too bad - might regret it as getting this motor out again might be tricky because:
2) The replacement is so poorly designed that getting a 17mm sockets over two of the three bolts is impossible. It's not even possible to get a ring spanner over them so ended up doing them up as tight as I could with an open ended spanner - if I ever need to take it off will probably end up having to grind some material off the motor.

3) Getting the bolts back in means raising the engine a lot to meet back up with the front mount to the point where the whole car also gets raised a lot - I had a jack placed on the gearbox side of the bell housing which may not have been ideal but I didn't want to go anywhere need the sump. I'll definitely be getting a proper engine support next time.

Now everything works OK - I can only assume that the extra wire on my car serves no purpose - maybe the harnesses and starters were common on the late ones and the connection does nothing other than stop the spare wire flapping about.

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Re: starter motor query
« Reply #9 on: 25 January 2010, 10:19 »
couple of points:
when doping this its better to take the nut off the front mount, then jack up engine till it lifts off the mount, then it definitely wont move as you undo the bolts (crack them loose first!)

access on this starter is limited because its designed for use with allen bolts as found on later models, rather than hex bolts.

that plug is for the alternator charging wire! find the other end and plug it in or battery wont charge properly.  looks to me like you fitted that wire the wrong way round? The end you have next to starter I think should be at battery terminal, as thats where the other end of that blue wire is.
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