How are people justifying their R's

[Chins]

Looking at taking a company car again and dont want it to be far off the performance of my current steed.

Need to keep the CO2 reasonable, so my list of cars is short.

Golf R, S3 or TTS

When I spec the cars to a similar spec there is a £2k price advantage to the S3. Thats before a discount on the S3, which should be an easy £2.5k. This would take the S3 to nicely under £30k. My spec on the Golf is £33.5k and that is leaving off stuff I would like to have. The car is pretty much what I would pay for a TTS after discount.

Are people getting big discounts when they order the R?

How are VW justifying this pricing level?

Cheers

Jonathan

[Snoopy]

^There not, its simply down to low volume production and demand.

[SilverChariot]

Are people getting big discounts when they order the R?

How are VW justifying this pricing level?

I got absolutely no discount and because of the low production levels did not expect one.

VW are playing a clever game here.

The S3 is pretty dated now and the TTS - being a 2 door coupe - is a totally different kettle of fish.

[Chins]

 

I wouldnt disagree that the S3 is getting dated, but even a couple of years ago you didnt have to pay this pricing level.

What volumes are they talking about - it seems to be the norm that VW and Audi state low volumes to entice people. Dont always stick to their word though. TTS is a bit different, but both cars serve the same function to me

[p3eps]

Are people getting big discounts when they order the R?

How are VW justifying this pricing level?

I got a whopping 1.77% discount on my Golf R - and as far as I know - thats the highest!  Its a limited car at the moment with each dealer only being able to get an allocation of 1 or 2.  My dealer has tried putting in 7 orders and only got 2 allocations... I guess most dealers are in the same boat.  If this is the case - then why give a discount at all?  I was first in line due to a deposit being down in May!  When I came to order - if I didn't take my no.1 slot, the next person behind me would have... and so on...
The dealer knew that this was a desirable car and he could easily sell it at full price.  I only got a discount because I went in and out and in and out of there 3 times on the same day until he gave in!!

How are VW justifying their prices?  They're NOT!  Simple.  They know there are muppets (like me!) out there who will pay over the odds to have their flagship 'fastest ever' car.  £35k for a Golf.  Like I said in another thread today, I could have had 2 and a bit Golf 1.4TSI's for that!  I've got the cash and been waiting since March for a new car - so I'm taking it.  Yes, there are people out there who can give me a whole list of used Porsches / BMW's etc I can get for £35k - but I don't want a used car.

On my mission trying to get discount I went to Audi and enquired about the S3 again.  I got the salesman I got a few months back.  When he loaded in all my options, he gave me NINE percent off.  I asked why so high, and it was because they have a newer model coming out in less than a year.  
I test drove a TTS back in June and although it was a great car to drive - it just wasn't practical for me (6ft 2" tall and play Golf every weekend!).

If you think the Golf R is too expensive, then buy a GTI and remap it!

[Chins]

TTS isnt bad practicallity wise, fit a trolley and full size bag as easily in the back as the Golf.

The actual price of the R isnt the concern for me, its the fact that its £33.5k for a Golf without extras such as Sat Nav and a good phone system. I have added DSG, Leather and Upgraded Stereo to the std spec for comparison, but would also add 19's if I bought.

At 30k it would appear to OK value in context of the old R32 etc.

I have a real concern that there will be few people prepared to pay this type of money and it will take a big depreciation hit - if I kept it for over a year it would be a miracle. I know cars lose money - ive had a few hits in the past.

[p3eps]

TTS isnt bad practicallity wise, fit a trolley and full size bag as easily in the back as the Golf.

Try getting anyone with legs in the back seats!  It also only has 2 back seats - the Golf has 3. 
You can maybe get a bag and trolley in a TT, but only once you take down the back seats.
My ED30 took both of these with the back seats up!

[topher]

The resale values tend to justify the initial outlay. A good mk4 R will still fetch the happy side of 12k.

That is assuming VW don't bumf*ck the mk6 owners like they did with us mk5 R32 drivers, and reduce list price by about 25% at the end of model to get rid of the stock... (6 months after i bought a 2 yr old one i could've got a brand new one for nearly the same price, thanks vw!)

[Snoopy]

^they decided they had made a mistake too its why they did not do the same with the stock of mk5 GTIs, i was actually waiting for them to do it with the GTIs too but all they did was pre-reg them and sell them at near new top dollar prices at dealerships.

[mac7]

I don't need to justify buying an R - it's just the car I want. The S3 doesn't enthuse me and the TTS is not my type of car. I've also considered a new S4, A5 Sportback and a second hand RS4. All good cars but to be honest the only Audi I really want is an ur-quattro.

I wouldnt disagree that the S3 is getting dated, but even a couple of years ago you didnt have to pay this pricing level.

It's not a couple of years ago any more - things have changed. A lot.

I have a real concern that there will be few people prepared to pay this type of money and it will take a big depreciation hit - if I kept it for over a year it would be a miracle. I know cars lose money - ive had a few hits in the past.

Judging by resale values of every performance Golf ever made, there will be plenty of people who will be willing to pay over the odds for a second hand R in a few years. Anyway, no one realistically buys a new car not expecting to take a hit when they sell it.

That is assuming VW don't bumf*ck the mk6 owners like they did with us mk5 R32 drivers, and reduce list price by about 25% at the end of model to get rid of the stock...

You can't really blame VW for that - it's just unfortunate timing. The end of R32 production came at the same time the Government, oil industry, market speculation and the greenies all got too excited about CO2 emissions and pushed the costs of road tax and fuel up.