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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #100 on: 30 October 2009, 14:24 »
i know that this isnt the thread to discuss. but the mk2 vr6/weight argument is almost as bad as the 8v/16v.
a properly executed mk2 vr6 using the full front suspension, wide track+ matched damping is a fantastic thing.
the widetrack gives great stability, and properly matched damping/spring lb (kw through g-werks do a specific kit) makes it handle very, very close to a normal tall block.

check this....
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123
this thing wins races!

iv driven one of these, although with a vf supercharger. wide tracked, h+r 25mm bar, corner weighted and some clever geometry. and it handled perfectly. you just have to change your driving style. smoothly, mure accurate
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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #101 on: 30 October 2009, 14:26 »
Why? Because I can, because I want to. Sense has no bearing on it.

If money was an issue I wouldnt have spent what I have already.

You actually considering spending that kind of cash on your motor then?


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YES!


Lot less than spent already!
« Last Edit: 30 October 2009, 14:28 by Len »
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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #102 on: 30 October 2009, 14:26 »
i know that this isnt the thread to discuss. but the mk2 vr6/weight argument is almost is almost as bad as the 8v/16v.
a properly executed mk2 vr6 using the full front suspension, wide track+ matched damping  is a fantastic thing. the widetrack gives great stability, and properly matched damping/spring lb (kw through g-werks do a specific kit) makes it handle very, very close to a normal tall block.

check this....
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123
this thing wins races!

iv driven one of these, although with a vf supercharger. wide tracked, h+r 25mm bar, corner weighted and some clever geometry. and it handled perfectly. you just have to change your driving style. smoothly, mure accurate

I'll never argue that you can't get them to handle but your starting off from a very bad position in the first place. All the MKII VR's I have seen on the move look awkward and a right handlful. Just seems that you'd be better off starting with an engine that sits in the right place to start with. Nothing can beat that noise though!!!!

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Offline Paul86S2

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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #103 on: 30 October 2009, 14:40 »
Anything is possible if you have enough money. The Golf 3 Kit cars produce over 260 bhp, but who's got £20k for an engine that will need rebuilding every so many hours running time, and they will be a real pain around town.
If money was the real issue no-one would spend anything on their Mk2 or 3 Golf.
Len - I would seriously look at head work, cams, Megasquirt management, and ITB's. Anything over a 260 or 264 cam set up will need stand alone management and a rolling road set up. Jenvey offer a good ITB set up but its not cheap. Carbs are a step backwards and suffer from poor fuel economy and can ice up in the winter.
Wayne - yes we all like our 16v's but thats what this thread is about. If the 8v was the better car why did VW find the need to produce a 16v? Why would the 8v get a weight advantage in the Mk2 racing series? It's horses for courses. We know you like the 8v and there is nothing wrong with the 8v but its not the best place to start for a good revving free flowing tuned engine.
16v's will always flow better in a head than 8 large valves, why else would car manufactures make them? The 8v's peak torque is too low down the rev range for this application. How did we get onto 8v v's 16v again.

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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #104 on: 30 October 2009, 14:46 »
Just seems that you'd be better off starting with an engine that sits in the right place to start with.

nick
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bet you wouldnt be saying that if i gave you a 911  :grin:
oh that sound is amazing. but charged? its the best sound in the world. if i could afford a 20vt. i would. agu with a k04. second to that would be a vr6. boat anchor with 200hp.

back on topic. join the main cgti forum, get on the head group buy. save £££. then get the car mapped with r-tech with a decent exhaust, gutted airbow with k£n. get a solid 175 all day long, on any rollers. no point going further without stanalone management for cams.
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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #105 on: 30 October 2009, 15:04 »
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Just seems that you'd be better off starting with an engine that sits in the right place to start with.

nick

bet you wouldnt be saying that if i gave you a 911  :grin:


Ha ha you're right :grin:

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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #106 on: 30 October 2009, 15:06 »
How did we get onto 8v v's 16v again.

Paul


It's all good natured banter (for the most part). I'm getting itchy throttle foot at the moment and can't wait for 2010 track action. Hopefully see you at some of the 928 days over the year for some 8 vs 16 fun :wink:

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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #107 on: 30 October 2009, 15:08 »
Both Pauls - hear what you're saying but ....

I only mention carbs because I would love to have a completely non eletronic engine. I know thats not really possible but hey I can wish.
Plus as its got a CAT you have to have a Lambda etc. and you need an electronic dizzy at least! Plus I would like to keep the abs.
So I am stuck with electronics!
Wont be happy with just say 175 bhp, the thirst for ultimate power is there. By that I mean a non race engine that doesnt need rebuilding every 5 minutes!
Will probably follow Ess-three's lead and try to take it further.
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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #108 on: 30 October 2009, 15:23 »
No way on this earth would I spend £2k on making a mk3 quicker, I would sell and buy something quicker.

Stupid and daft idea but would expect nothing less from Len.

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Re: tsr pack A???
« Reply #109 on: 30 October 2009, 15:24 »
From a man who spends money on a Vauxhal vectra!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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