£350 to spend under bonnet wot to do????

[Wayne]

£350 should be enough to find yourself a fairly good VR6 engine

Only 24bhp more than the Valver but that engine noise 

Great noise!
But with all that extra weight... 

Not that much heavier.

[VeeDubGTI16v]

get a mk2 with a blown engine for £350 and fit the mk3 engine to it

job done

[Len]

Yea £350 for a good set of tyres alone!

[Ess_Three]

Not that much heavier.

Enough heavier at what? 40+ Kgs?
And forward of the driveline, not back as the 16v is...not good.
And carried high up towards the head area...not good.

There are reasons why VR6s are harder to get to handle well, comared to 16vs!

You can make a VR6 handle...but it will always understeer more than a 16v on the road...and it will involve more work and more cost to get it close to a 16v.

[Wayne]

Not that much heavier.

Enough heavier at what? 40+ Kgs?
And forward of the driveline, not back as the 16v is...not good.
And carried high up towards the head area...not good.

There are reasons why VR6s are harder to get to handle well, comared to 16vs!

You can make a VR6 handle...but it will always understeer more than a 16v on the road...and it will involve more work and more cost to get it close to a 16v.

Yes but the extra power and torque more than makes up for it.

[Ess_Three]

Yes but the extra power and torque more than makes up for it.

...until you come to the end of the straight and have to brake and corner the wallowy beast. More weight = more energy to control and dissipate.
A to B, it evens out... 

[Len]

However I do have to advise of my personal findings!

Had one remap and that actually reduced bhp figures! But made car more economical and more driveable.

I did the throttle body and made no difference!

I changed back from an induction kit to drilled airbox/k&n panel/cold air feed and again no difference.

Had an R-tech remap and that added 4 bhp! But increased the peak power band and improved torque slightly and smoothed out the graph so the power comes in earlier.


I have a series of Rolling Road figures to prove all this.

[Wayne]

Yes but the extra power and torque more than makes up for it.

...until you come to the end of the straight and have to brake and corner the wallowy beast. More weight = more energy to control and dissipate.
A to B, it evens out... 

You have your vies and I have mine, from my days at a large VW specialist / tuning company (cannot say who as Len gets upset), VR6's can be made to handle and I have driven a couple of well sorted ones.

[Ess_Three]

You have your vies and I have mine, from my days at a large VW specialist / tuning company (cannot say who as Len gets upset), VR6's can be made to handle and I have driven a couple of well sorted ones.

I agree, they sure can. I know of a few that do.
But is takes more effort and better components to get the same result, due to the additional weight and where it's carried.
The fact remains though, they will always understeer more on like-for-like set-ups.

[Len]

Yes but the extra power and torque more than makes up for it.

...until you come to the end of the straight and have to brake and corner the wallowy beast. More weight = more energy to control and dissipate.
A to B, it evens out... 

You have your vies and I have mine, from my days at a large VW specialist / tuning company (cannot say who as Len gets upset), VR6's can be made to handle and I have driven a couple of well sorted ones.

TSR was a good company, most of its life, so it dont upset me. Its just you Wayne!