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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #80 on: 26 September 2009, 19:45 »
All my links are on AOL favourates on my other comp thats crashed this one does not allow me to install or run AOL (a good thing :angry:) so i cannot get them i will have to get them someday when i get the chance to infect another computer with AOL, anyway you may also find this link interesting.(hope it works give it time its a large PDF)
http://bruce.coppola.name/audio/Amp_Sound.pdf
Theres also a great link/site if i can get it or find it again by one of the top engineer that worked at macintosh speaker labs years ago thats very good for speaker cable discussions and he talks about the history behind all the speakerwire marketing and biwiring and why it happened and how to actually choose your cable.
If you google you may also find the well known 'Richard Clarks amp challenge' as well as his less known about 'source unit challenge' or 'wire challenge' all giving you a chance to win $10K if you can beat the ABX testing for soundquality on home or pro or incar audio equipment, no one in 15 years has managed to take his money including many top experts with goldenears at trade expos.
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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #81 on: 26 September 2009, 21:58 »
All my links are on AOL favourates on my other comp thats crashed this one does not allow me to install or run AOL (a good thing :angry:) so i cannot get them i will have to get them someday when i get the chance to infect another computer with AOL, anyway you may also find this link interesting.(hope it works give it time its a large PDF)
http://bruce.coppola.name/audio/Amp_Sound.pdf
Theres also a great link/site if i can get it or find it again by one of the top engineer that worked at macintosh speaker labs years ago thats very good for speaker cable discussions and he talks about the history behind all the speakerwire marketing and biwiring and why it happened and how to actually choose your cable.
If you google you may also find the well known 'Richard Clarks amp challenge' as well as his less known about 'source unit challenge' or 'wire challenge' all giving you a chance to win $10K if you can beat the ABX testing for soundquality on home or pro or incar audio equipment, no one in 15 years has managed to take his money including many top experts with goldenears at trade expos.

Yes, I have a bunch of links too. One of the most amusing reads, particularly so in this thread, seems to have disappeared off the net and even a google of its contents turned up nothing. As luck would have it I found the dudes new site and figured out that the document is still accessible even if it's not hyper linked in any way.

You can read it here; http://home.comcast.net/~wirebenderaudio/articles/article_14.htm
It's an interesting read on an industry insiders take of abx testing among other things. An amusing quote which I guess one person in this thread would disagree with to start with, "It reminded me of the year an audiologist set up shop at the LA AES convention, tested a wad of us, discovered the majority of audio professional were functionally deaf, and changed the AES forever.  Yeah, from that day to the foreseeable future, no audiologist will ever be allowed to administer hearing tests at the AES convention." :D 

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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #82 on: 27 September 2009, 08:01 »
^^ I think when it gets to this kind of level its all very subjective. Does everyone have the same hands?? does everyone have the same tongue?? So why would everyone assume we all have the same ears?? :undecided:

Its not about what other say sounds better... its about what you think sounds better!!

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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #83 on: 27 September 2009, 10:58 »
^^ I think when it gets to this kind of level its all very subjective. Does everyone have the same hands?? does everyone have the same tongue?? So why would everyone assume we all have the same ears?? :undecided:

Its not about what other say sounds better... its about what you think sounds better!!

Actually, yes, we do have pretty much the same mechanisms in our head related to hearing with generally the same sensitivities; 20Hz to 20kHz, plus or minus. The last time I measured mine I could hear down to about 16Hz and up to around 17kHz. The younger you are and the more careful you've been the more likely you are to hear down to and up to these limits.

But, the major problem with people's hearing is that it's crap. Generally speaking.

For instance, our memory for how something sounds is just several seconds so comparing whether one sound is "better" than another is problematic in the extreme. You may think that this is not the case but it's a fact. So, for example, people comparing one set of speakers to another by switching cables (which may take a few minutes or so) are wasting their time. Of course, if they sound vastly different that remains fairly obvious but comparing subtle differences this way is very difficult indeed. It's why a/b and abx switch boxes tend to be used so you can switch instantly from one to another.

There are also problems with our mind interfering with what we hear; put in a impressive looking thick cable that you think will improve the sound and you will hear an improvement, sometimes dramatically so. Put on a blind fold, change the cable for a piece of lamp cord of adequate gauge without the person knowing and they will still hear the improvement. Remove the blind fold and suddenly the sound will be awful, "constricted", "lacking air", or whatever silly euphemisms audiophiles use these days.

Our hearing is so prone to influence by other factors unrelated to actually what we hear that the only real way of objectively making judgements with regard to sound is to perform a blind test, preferably double blind. These psychoacoustic principles are well known and documented.

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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #84 on: 27 September 2009, 11:11 »
Should`nt this now be in the car audio section ?,its drifted abit :undecided:
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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #85 on: 27 September 2009, 11:19 »
I certainly wasnt arguing that the mechanisms are not the same. After all we all have 5 fingers on our hands but it doesnt make them the same. It how we interpret the sound thats important.

I once popped into a well known audio shop in Brighton to test some new speakers I was looking at, so took down some of my own music.
After the test I told the gent I didnt think they were upto the job and struggled a little. He obviously took offence to this and hooked up some £11k speaker to prove it wasnt the equipment at fault but me!!

tbh althought they sounded a little better I just couldnt see the £10k difference in the speakers, and my current set up sounded alot better. He then decided to blame the the type of music i brought it. wtf???  I proptly left! just because i didnt want to listen to country and western on a med volume my opinion was totally discounted.

I for one dont believe much of this crap audiophiles splurt out. I trust only one persons judgement when it comes to music.... and that is mine, because quite simply thats what counts. :wink:

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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #86 on: 27 September 2009, 12:08 »
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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #87 on: 27 September 2009, 14:17 »
a well known audio shop in Brighton

Pretty sure that's the same place as persuaded me to do that stupid biwiring trick in the first place, and sold me the inflexible sugarally.  There's one born every minute.

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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #88 on: 27 September 2009, 14:26 »
a well known audio shop in Brighton

Pretty sure that's the same place as persuaded me to do that stupid biwiring trick in the first place, and sold me the inflexible sugarally.  There's one born every minute.

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London road?? :huh:

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Re: Who has Dynaudio?
« Reply #89 on: 27 September 2009, 14:34 »
a well known audio shop in Brighton

Pretty sure that's the same place as persuaded me to do that stupid biwiring trick in the first place, and sold me the inflexible sugarally.  There's one born every minute.

Rolfe.

London road?? :huh:

The very place.

Same place as didn't seem to make much difference to the indifferent sound from my LP12, even though they charged me money for allegedly putting it right.

Rolfe.
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