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Offline Ess_Three

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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #20 on: 15 September 2009, 15:04 »
Re-edited first two posts with some more info! :afro:

Hmm...life is too short for some of that overly prescriptive stuff.
Warm it up, don't labour it, don't thrash it and cool it down...be midful of the rest of the car being new (first 100 miles)...and just use it.
That's never let me down in 20 years of running new cars in.


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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #21 on: 15 September 2009, 15:22 »
What amazes me is the number of people out there who will say 'you don't need to run in modern engines' or similar. If only they'd look to someone more educated in the subject of mechanical engineering than a salesman... Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

I'm not suggesting any of you are stupid, by the way.
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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #22 on: 15 September 2009, 15:30 »
What amazes me is the number of people out there who will say 'you don't need to run in modern engines' or similar. If only they'd look to someone more educated in the subject of mechanical engineering than a salesman... Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

I'm not suggesting any of you are stupid, by the way.

Ahh...but I'm not suggesting you mollycoddle it, or that you abuse it.
Modern manufacturing technology makes engines fit with tighter tolerances than ever before, modern oils lubricate better...some engines are dyno tested in the factory to ensure they make the numbers...or they don't get fitted (Porsche flat 6s for example).

Now, tell me how wise it is to mollycoddle an engine that's done 2 hours flat out on an engine dyno?
Hmm...

The car, you have to run in...make sure nothing falls off, bed in the brake friction material, let the dampers settle in etc...but the modern engine needs little by way of 'running in'.

I know what the insides of my tuned 2.0 16v ABF looks like - you can still see the honing marks on the bores, the bearings are like new, the oilways spotless etc...after 85000 miles and no running in.

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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #23 on: 15 September 2009, 17:00 »
Sorry Ess_Three, I was commenting on the 'general populace' who tend to rely on their point-of-sale or bloke next door as a guide to how to treat a new engine. I generally agree with your views. You obviously know what you are talking about, as do I.

I had a Mk2 GTI which I ran for close to 100,000 miles from new without using oil. Oil changes were done at 10,000 mile intervals and only fully synthetic oil was used. It was always driven sympathetically when cold and allowed to warm up before being used to the full.

That car was treated to a reasonably careful running-in period of around 1000 miles. As you say, no labouring the engine and no high revs. I didn't adhere to any strict guide, although I did (mostly) keep the engine below 3500 rpm for the first few hundred miles. After passing it to my brother the engine was torn down as a precaution and presented us with what basically amounted to a brand new set of components (much like your ABF) - I was astonished. As much as German engineering, I put this down to using the right oil, treating the engine well and yes, care running it in when new.

A bench-run high performance engine from the likes of Porsche or Ferrari will obviously not necessarily require a careful running-in procedure and modern tolerances are often held more tighly than 20 years ago. However, be under no illusion that all mass produced engine tolerances are so narrow or specified in such a way as to make them ideal. A cam lobe ground on machine A will still need to wear slightly in order to conform to a follower similarly finished on machine B. Asperity contact will still occur under high loads and boundary lubrication conditions. Lubricants will still carry contaminants around the engine.

I will concede that for many modern engines which you are going to keep for 5 years/50,000 miles you probably don't need to worry about being careful with running it in. How you treat it day-to day (allowing oil to warm up, not labouring the engine at low speed etc) and regular oil changes with decent synthetic oil is far more important. I would mention however that turbochargers turn very, very quickly and have bearings which are far more sensitive to wear particulate, oil degradation and other contaminants. Personally, I would want to carefully run in any turbocharged car (and even perform an early initial oil change) to ensure longevity of the turbo if nothing else.

Following the general guidelines given by T_T or the more basic good-sense advice from yourself to treat the engine carefully when new can avoid unanticipated damage which might well result in accelerated wear or even premature failure.  You never know when you might want to keep a car for 12 years - I know I didn't.


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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #24 on: 15 September 2009, 17:19 »
"....start off with very light throttle, low revs........It is absolutely vital not to maintain a "constant" rev loading....  You need to vary the engine revs, up-to, say 3,500rpm (not consantly at 3,500rpm) for the first 300 miles......

    0   -    300   miles   up to   2,500 rpm   /    1/4   throttle
 
The most crucial thing when running in, is to vary the engine speeds."
Thats going to be an interesting trip up the M1/A1 for 300 miles i will be doing after collection. :laugh:
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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #25 on: 15 September 2009, 17:26 »
  You never know when you might want to keep a car for 12 years - I know I didn't.

No me neither...13 and counting for my Anniversary.

I think common sense is a better rule than a salesmans rule book.

1/4 throttle for 300 miles! Really....  :rolleyes:

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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #26 on: 15 September 2009, 19:08 »
Well im now on about 850miles.. so thats enough running in for me. Next time shes warm shes getting her hinney spanked :evil:

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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #27 on: 15 September 2009, 19:11 »
Well im now on about 850miles.. so thats enough running in for me. Next time shes warm shes getting her hinney spanked :evil:

 :shocked: Sure it's a 'she'??
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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #28 on: 15 September 2009, 19:25 »
Well im now on about 850miles.. so thats enough running in for me. Next time shes warm shes getting her hinney spanked :evil:

 :shocked: Sure it's a 'she'??

Always a she :wink:

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Re: Running in your GTI
« Reply #29 on: 17 September 2009, 00:55 »
Why do you lease boys care about running in?
I thought you took pleasure in making the car a nasty as possible for the next owner.

As Quintin Wilson says, " Rough owners, rough cars".