RIP R32

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Not fancy the rocco then? Or is it mkvi gti? You'd get a pretty good 911 for £30k...

not new and leased you wouldnt, and don't forget if chipping it then you could always go for the one that enables you to return it to standard and "hides" the remap from dealers etc.

Ermmm . . . . . NOTHING is hidden from the stealers!  Even with Bluefin or Revo with SPS, or any of the others, the stealer will STILL know it has been remaped! 

weren't meaning that it would be totally hidden, but it wouldn't be immediate...

What is your definition of 'immediate'?  Because the moment the stealer connects their VAS5051 or 5052, and scans for fault codes - it will be as clear as daylight that the car has been remaped! 

they'd have to have a reason to be looking for it is what i meant,

The reason is that the car is in the stealers for work!

as the car would drive and respond electronically as normal, only if they were doing a full diagnostic would it show up.

Erm . . . they do a 'full diagnostic' on every service.  And also every time it goes in for warranty issues (which are likely to store a fault code).

You really are greatly mis-informed if you think the stealer won't know about a remap!

i also suspect you could have a few of the chip remap companies for lying about the stealth of these if it isnt the case.

Erm . . . I have NEVER stated anything about how the stealers can work out WHO has applied WHICH remap.  But the stealers do NOT need to know which map has been applied.  They just need to know that the original VWAG map is no longer on the chip - and will therefore know that the car's ECU has been flashed with another map.  VW Germany will know EXACTLY how many times the ECU has officially been flashed - and if there are discrepancies between VW Germany, and your own ECU - then it is 'Goodnight Nurse' to any warranty on your engine!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

all depends on skills possesed by various people. 

Agreed - but the 'usual suspects' of purveyors of remaps don't have those skills! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

There was a saluatory tale in here last year I think where the dude mapped his lease car.... It went tits up somehow, he was left with no car and a bill for the replacement... Can't remember the facts but it's on here somewhere...was a total mare for the guy.

Just be aware of the risks when you go remapping someone elses car...

Yeah, it was someone who had a Seat Leon Cupra - over on one of the Seat forums.

[R32UK]

Tis the reason I will be using a reputable company like revo

So in reality nothing should be going wrong.. but hence my reason for leaving it for a couple of 1000 miles first.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Tis the reason I will be using a reputable company like revo

But even Revo leave a 'footprint', which is detectable by the stealer and VW Germany. 

[R32UK]

Tis the reason I will be using a reputable company like revo

But even Revo leave a 'footprint', which is detectable by the stealer and VW Germany. 

Dont think the dealer i will be taking it to is the same as the dealer I got it from 

Also i know what happens to the cars when they go back now

[Dogbucket]

I also couldn't get my head around the power. It's a 3.2 litre V6 but only produced 247bhp standard. What I found frustrating was that tuning it was expensive and didn't yield the sorts of gains you would get from remapping a GTI.

And that is the fundamental problem of the 'VR' engine design.

They are difficult to cool efficiently - especially when pushing up power outputs.  And they also suffer from a fundamental design 'flaw' - in that the inlet ports and exhaust ports cross along side each other.  This is similar to a 'pre-crossflow' cylinder head design, whereby both inlet and exhaust ports are on the same side of the head.  On the VR design (and pre-crossflow), this causes unresolveable issues regarding the hot exhaust gasses heating up the inlet gasses - and vice versa.  Hotter inlet air temps reduce the volumetric effieciency, and therefore the combustion efficiency.  And the 'cooled' exhaust gasses reduce the effectiveness of the catalytic converter.  This is why VR engines not only produce less power than a conventional 'wide angle' vee engine, but also suffer with worse emissions too. 

F00k me, that's some in depth knowledge 

Interesting 

That is what I am basically about - years and years of professional studying! 

reads suspiciously like the wikipedia article if you ask me, unless your wink is acknowledging that fact

[R32UK]

I also couldn't get my head around the power. It's a 3.2 litre V6 but only produced 247bhp standard. What I found frustrating was that tuning it was expensive and didn't yield the sorts of gains you would get from remapping a GTI.

And that is the fundamental problem of the 'VR' engine design.

They are difficult to cool efficiently - especially when pushing up power outputs.  And they also suffer from a fundamental design 'flaw' - in that the inlet ports and exhaust ports cross along side each other.  This is similar to a 'pre-crossflow' cylinder head design, whereby both inlet and exhaust ports are on the same side of the head.  On the VR design (and pre-crossflow), this causes unresolveable issues regarding the hot exhaust gasses heating up the inlet gasses - and vice versa.  Hotter inlet air temps reduce the volumetric effieciency, and therefore the combustion efficiency.  And the 'cooled' exhaust gasses reduce the effectiveness of the catalytic converter.  This is why VR engines not only produce less power than a conventional 'wide angle' vee engine, but also suffer with worse emissions too. 

F00k me, that's some in depth knowledge 

Interesting 

That is what I am basically about - years and years of professional studying! 

reads suspiciously like the wikipedia article if you ask me, unless your wink is acknowledging that fact

T_T actually writes a few of the wiki articles 

[pazz]

Have to say i was driving back in the torrential rain on weds night and couldnt understand why anyone would get a GTI over an R32

It doesnt rain 24/7 365 days a year. Thats why I didnt buy an R32.

Yes we may live in the UK which does get a considerable amount of rain. But there are still plenty of dry days where the ED30 can be enjoyed (even with the TC off).

And also, because loosing traction is sometimes fun (reminds me of me RWD days).

[davefish]

You will always have very fond memories. You've driven a R32 for over 30k miles and loved doing so - No-one can take that away from you. Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

Couldn't have put it better. I think I'll shed a tear when mine eventually goes. GL with the Mk6 chap, hope you enjoy it as much as the .:R.

PS. Pazz, nice to see someone using my artwork