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Offline Wurzel

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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #20 on: 04 September 2009, 22:51 »
I still don't get it.  Slowing down because my chassis is coming in contact with the road is not my idea of a good time.

Rolfe.
Exactly. And 19ers look chav. Buying a new car then turning it into a chavmobile...some people.....
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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #21 on: 05 September 2009, 01:14 »
I dont understand why someone would buy a new car then lower it. Seems you bought the wrong type of car.

I'm afraid I am suffering from insomnia tonight, so to kill time I'm going to answer your query. In fact, I will be buying exactly the right sort of car. Here follows a defense for all those of us wise enough to drive a lowered car with big wheels.

Twenty years ago I bought a brand new Golf GTI. I wanted to improve the handling because although great, it could be made better. The suspension kit which I bought was designed to lower the car as part of that improvement. The larger wheels and wider, lower profile tyres also helped and the end result was far superior to a standard GTI. VW themselves later produced the GTI G60 which had the same size tyres and similar lowering as my car as part of its standard equipment.

The modifications were made to my car when it was just a few weeks old by GTI Engineering - a Volkswagen approved tuning company. I used that car every day for 12 years and covered nearly 100,000 miles and not once did the chassis touch the road, even when negotiating speed bumps. I've been doing it to my new cars ever since.

I would also mention wheels are a very important aesthetic cue on a car. Putting wider, lower profile tyres on a car visually accentuates the gap between the tyre and the arch - lowering the car a little brings this gap back into 'visual proportion' with the sidewall of the tyre. Just take a look at any car which has had a set of lower profile tyres fitted and hasn't been lowered. They tend to look a little bit awkward - like off-roaders. Car designers and stylists understand this, which is a part of the reason the GTI sits lower than a standard Golf.

Like all engineering solutions, the ride height, stiffness, tyre size, etc used on a car are a compromise chosen to give a desired result. Today, as in 1989, VW set up the GTI lower and with bigger wheels than the lesser Golfs to improve the handling in line with the greater engine performance, as well as improving the aesthetic of the car, at the expense of a little comfort and convenience. So by choosing to buy a GTI over an SE you are making the decision to have a car which is lowered and with bigger wheels than a 'standard' Golf.

You are therefore all subscribing to the same ethos that I am. The only difference is that I choose to move the engineering compromise slightly further towards the performance end of the spectrum and a little further away from the comfort end. If you need to climb steep driveways, traverse kerbs, boat ramps, scale mountains or just have really big speed bumps where you live, obviously you might choose to leave your car standard. Or buy a Touareg.

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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #22 on: 05 September 2009, 05:11 »
Nicely put Mac7.
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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #23 on: 05 September 2009, 09:49 »
When I was younger I couldn't afford a lowering kit for my Capri so bought a pair of "Spring Clamps"
It didn't half stiffen the ride but by god it made it look good. Or at least so I thought, 20 years ago  :laugh:
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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #24 on: 05 September 2009, 11:57 »
I still don't get it.  Slowing down because my chassis is coming in contact with the road is not my idea of a good time.

Rolfe.

you've really got to be going some to twit your chassis on the road.  Only other way is to go stupidly low which most people don't do. 

I dont understand why someone would buy a new car then lower it. Seems you bought the wrong type of car.

that coming from someone who bought a car off Ebay, didn't test drive it and moaned about it since  :rolleyes:

Nicely put Mac7.


+1 - at least some of us 'get it'
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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #25 on: 05 September 2009, 12:56 »
I'm not a fan of lowering cars, the manufacterers tend to design them so they perform well on public roads, and if you buy a Golf you primarily use it on public roads. If you want a trackday car buy a second hand Lotus 2/11 or Caterham or something that was designed by experts for that purpose. That's what I'd do anyway.

Nothing worse than driving on public roads with 19s and getting terrible tyre noise, having to avoid speed bumps etc. No fun whatsoever.
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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #26 on: 05 September 2009, 13:51 »
I'm not a fan of lowering cars, the manufacterers tend to design them so they perform well on public roads, and if you buy a Golf you primarily use it on public roads. If you want a trackday car buy a second hand Lotus 2/11 or Caterham or something that was designed by experts for that purpose. That's what I'd do anyway.

Nothing worse than driving on public roads with 19s and getting terrible tyre noise, having to avoid speed bumps etc. No fun whatsoever.

have you not read what myself or Mac have written?  :huh:  Manufacturers design cars to strike a balance between performance and comfort.

Where has anyone said they're trying to turn the GTI into a trackday car?  :huh:

As for running a car with 19's - can't see how tyre noise is increased unless you're running ultra budget tyres. 

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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #27 on: 05 September 2009, 13:57 »
I'm not a fan of lowering cars, the manufacterers tend to design them so they perform well on public roads, and if you buy a Golf you primarily use it on public roads. If you want a trackday car buy a second hand Lotus 2/11 or Caterham or something that was designed by experts for that purpose. That's what I'd do anyway.

Nothing worse than driving on public roads with 19s and getting terrible tyre noise, having to avoid speed bumps etc. No fun whatsoever.

have you not read what myself or Mac have written?  :huh:  Manufacturers design cars to strike a balance between performance and comfort.

Where has anyone said they're trying to turn the GTI into a trackday car?  :huh:

As for running a car with 19's - can't see how tyre noise is increased unless you're running ultra budget tyres. 

Really? Michelin tend to be noisy tyres, lower profile tyres tend to be noisier than higher profile ones. Read this tyre test the Hankooks are the quietest by far:

http://global.hankooktire.com/Tech/Autobildsportscark107_catalog.pdf

The cost of a tyre does not tend to tell you anything about how noisy they'll be. And my point was fitting 19s and lowering is going to have negative impacts on comfort and day to day useability.
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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #28 on: 05 September 2009, 14:01 »
Really? Michelin tend to be noisy tyres, lower profile tyres tend to be noisier than higher profile ones. Read this tyre test the Hankooks are the quietest by far:

http://global.hankooktire.com/Tech/Autobildsportscark107_catalog.pdf

The cost of a tyre does not tend to tell you anything about how noisy they'll be.


Really.  I've found Michelins to be the quietest tyre I've used over the years.  And yes lower profiles tyres are nosier but the difference is negligible especially in modern cars with all the soundproofing

Cost = overall performance.  I've learnt the hard way fitting Falkens; never again.  I'll be buying Michelins or Goodyears next time as I like to keep my hearing and keep my car on the road

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Re: Lowering a GTD
« Reply #29 on: 05 September 2009, 14:08 »
Michelins tend to be one of the noisiest there was an Auto Express test recently which found the same. In the Auto Express test the Kumhos were quietest. Just because you had a bad experience with Falkens doesnt mean you should tar every cheaper tyre with the same brush.

I'm not saying Michelins are bad tyres but they do tend to be above average for noise from what I've seen (and heard in my dad's old car).
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