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Offline deanpompey

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conversion advice asap please guys
« on: 19 August 2009, 19:14 »
ok so i am binning off the 1.8 carb'd lump currently in my clipper cab, and replacing it with a 2L 16v 9a lump from a 'rado.
gona make a start this weekend coming so just wanted to make sure i have everything i need and all info i need before i start.

so i am planning on using:

9a complete engine.
9a manifold matched to 8v mk1 downpipe
mk1 starter
9a alternator
mk1 coil
mk1 020 gearbox and clutch

so, i know i need to tap the rh engine mount hole in the block to take the mount, then all mounts just line up an bolt on right?

can i use water and oil temp senders off mk1 8v and splice them into the 9a loom?

what fuel pump do i need to fit and how do i go about doing it?

anything else anyone can think of??

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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #1 on: 19 August 2009, 20:30 »
this was going to be a vr6 last week

   take 9A  sit the 1.8 carb motor bt it. and swap sh!t failry self explanatory when there out on the deck

you'll be swaping,  mounts  ( some slight adjustment needed iirc)   flywheel, clutch gearbox, starter.   pullys and stuff depepnd on whitch ones had pas. you'll most likely be swaping som pullys over off the carbed enigne.


why would you splice the mk1 senders in,  the 9a ones will work

fuelpump depends on fuel system most likely you'll want a k jet  pump and in tank pump.

for the price of it just buy a hottuning manifold to sort the exhaust.

oh yes as for other stuff to make it a cute uinstall you need to cut and weld the intake manifold one or get a rocco one

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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #2 on: 19 August 2009, 20:48 »
vr6 idea was binned, gonna vr T a mk2 next year much better base.

anyhow, the mani/downpipe bodge is temporary til i get back off holiday and catch up £££ wise, needs to be on the road in 3 weeks so i can bin off paying out to store it.

mk1 senders i wanted to splice in as the 9a ones arent there! lol shouldve made that clearer.

and what do you mean i need to cut and weld intake mani? as in shorten it? dont care about cute, just want if to fit and run!

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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #3 on: 19 August 2009, 22:55 »
you've lost me then.  thers a hole bunch of sender on a carb engine a 16v dosent have  but there not needed. the 16v has all the sensors required they just look diffrent
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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #4 on: 19 August 2009, 22:56 »
mk1 engine bay  the airbox should go on the other side to where it is in a mk2, dont have to but its the right way
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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #5 on: 20 August 2009, 07:29 »
ah i get ya. well il sort that when i get time, but for now like i said i just want it in and running!

the 9a loom doesnt have the senders because they were cut off it by prev owner, hence why i needf to splice the 8v ones in!

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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #6 on: 20 August 2009, 10:43 »
Getting it fitted like a scirocco 16v will take lots of time & money, since the required parts are very hard to come by. its not just the intake its also the airbox & fuel lines that need sourcing, all the pipework etc. you can bodge it using MK1 bits but that would defeat the point tbh.
The only mk1 sensors you can use from the old block are the coolant temp & oil pressure, non of the others will have any use on a 16v.

the enghine itself will drop right in usign the mounts swapped over from the old engine, and the old gearbox + flywheel. fit a new sachs mk2 gti clutch kit tho.  If you want to use the 16v gearbox check the size of your driveshafts, if 90mm you need to swap your old box flanges over or fit 100mm shafts from a later cabby/scirocco.

what management are you planning to use on it? if kr all you need is a single pin black collar temp sensor for the ign controller, these can be found on many VAG cars, MK2 16v, MK1s, MK3 ABF etc. Same sensor as you need to use for the dash temp gauge basically. GSF sell em but I'm unsure of the quality of them.  If you're going for the 9a managemnt, you need to get a lambdfa fitting in the downpipe, and buy a new ecu temp sensor from VAG.  You'll also have a bit of wire splicing to do.

if you are going with the MK2/9a managment you need a MK1 GTI fuel pump, accumulator and lines.  You wil lalso either need to swap the fuel tank for a MK1 GTI item, or drop in a later cabby/scirocco injection in-tank pump plus under car reservoir. Crazyquiff does 16v conversion pipes off the shelf, but a little pricy.  Oh and you'll want MK1 metering head feed/return pipes plus the fuel filter bracket that fits to the front of the metering head.

If you want to run the MK2 16v isv controller ideally you want an early MK2 16v airbox as that will have all the correct connections on it for the over-run valve and the breather, if not you can use a MK1 airbox but fit the 16v metering head onto it.  The late 16v airbox is too wide to fit on the driver side chassis leg.

you'll probably find you dont have much clearance for the dizzy, what you can do is fit an ABF dizzy cap and rotate the 9a dizzy 180 degrees, moving the leads round to suit. you'll need to use the 8v king lead though, or make your own as the 16v item isnt long enough.

Last of all the exhaust. You need to either buy an off-the shelf conversion manifold, or fabricate your own downpipe. the MK1 item wont bolt to the 16v manifold. You need to use the top half of the 16v downpipe welded to the bottom of the MK1 downpie, and some jiggery in between, like this:




With a bit of carefull thought and some effort you can fit the 16v so it looks liek it was there from the factory:
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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #7 on: 20 August 2009, 19:29 »
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! lol im kinda confused by bits of that, but heres where i am:

sensors - they are the two i need so thats all good
mounts, thats what i thought.
gearbox - all good, has brand new sachs clutch in there too :)

as for management, im using the ecu that comes with the engine?im assuming thats original 9a stuff.


fuel pump wise can i not just use any intank pump?was under impression all i needed was the in tank pump and would run?

as for isv i hadnt even thought about that, will have to find out if i have one comin gon the engine!

dizzy i will sort when i get there, and downpipe is basically what i was planning on doing, except i have a full 4 branch stainless manifold into downpipe on the 8v lump, so was going to have the two manifolds cut and welded together if that was possible? havent even looked at the new engine yet so havent got a clue!

aargh! there will be many questions coming your way im sure!




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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #8 on: 20 August 2009, 19:58 »
ok so management wont be an issue now.... have just bought a set of twin 40's..... :smiley:
few more question though, will an abf inlet mani fit a 9a? or will i need another? and what fuel pump set up will i need for 40's?
need to find a linkage kit too.

will prob run stock management for now, so actually if you can help me with that would be appreciated!

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Re: conversion advice asap please guys
« Reply #9 on: 20 August 2009, 20:31 »
ABF manifold fit 9A ( all 16v manifolds will fit all 16v enignes )

the webbers wil want a facet pump, and ether a pressure reg  of just a T' off the fuel line to them and loop the feed back to the return with a bit of a restriction,  so you get 3-4 psi at the carbs

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