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Offline VWKev

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #40 on: 17 July 2009, 15:59 »
Quote from: Rolfe on 17 July 2009, 15:29
Quote from: VWKev on 17 July 2009, 14:09
Why can't you compare the RS to the GTI, only the ST ?

Of course you can compare the RS to the GTi, that's exactly what the What Car? test did.  The RS lost by a whisker, apparently on the grounds that is wasn't as versatile - that it looked like a boy racer's car that you wouldn't want to drive up to a five-star hotel in.  However, the ST isn't nearly so chavvy as the RS, so arguably might stack up better against the GTi if this is going to be your dealbreaker criterion.

I just thought it would have been interesting to see the GTi and the ST compared.  That was the choice I was looking at making - I would never have considered the RS.  However, they obviously weren't going to include two Focus models in the test, and the RS was the obvious model to include.

Rolfe.

Well you said the ST is better to compare to the GTI not the RS. And now you say of course you can compare the RS, so why say that in the first place ?. Ragardless of wither the RS is chavvy or not, its very much comparable. I think speed came into you're way of thinking, just like it does with so many others that think speed = better.
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #41 on: 17 July 2009, 16:00 »
Quote from: Exonian on 17 July 2009, 15:48
Quote from: Rolfe on 17 July 2009, 15:29
Quote from: VWKev on 17 July 2009, 14:09
Why can't you compare the RS to the GTI, only the ST ?

Of course you can compare the RS to the GTi, that's exactly what the What Car? test did.  The RS lost by a whisker, apparently on the grounds that is wasn't as versatile - that it looked like a boy racer's car that you wouldn't want to drive up to a five-star hotel in.  However, the ST isn't nearly so chavvy as the RS, so arguably might stack up better against the GTi if this is going to be your dealbreaker criterion.

I just thought it would have been interesting to see the GTi and the ST compared.  That was the choice I was looking at making - I would never have considered the RS.  However, they obviously weren't going to include two Focus models in the test, and the RS was the obvious model to include.

Rolfe.

The ST vs GTI was done to death with the mk5 GTI. I guess the mags are jumping on the RS as it's the new one and the GTI is billed as being new too and, as said, ££££ wise they're similar. The mags generally go for road tests of the latest model as that's what their readers want. Next year it will be the next VXR vs the GTI, the following year the next Type R vs the GTI. The GTI is normally regarded as the benchmark as the allrounder and that's always the 'one to beat'. For the last 30 odd years every couple of months the mags headlines scream ''This is the car that steals the GTI's crown''. How many times has the Golf GTI lost its crown?

And while we are at it, I can't see myself pulling up outside a 5 star hotel in a GTI either, Travelodge maybe.... :smiley:

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #42 on: 17 July 2009, 16:29 »

Can anyone either find this on the web, or - even better - a wee scan of the review?  :undecided:

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #43 on: 17 July 2009, 17:04 »
I think you have to be very careful with putting up scanned images due to copyright laws, we wouldn't want topher gitting in the crap would we?

Not seen the test myself either but am willing to part with £4 next time I'm in a newsagent.
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #44 on: 17 July 2009, 17:09 »
Wasn't really worth it imo. Wander down to the library, sorry I mean Smiths, and spend 2 mins reading.

Lacked substance and enjoyment....  apart from finding out the result :)




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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #45 on: 17 July 2009, 17:25 »
Quote from: Exonian on 17 July 2009, 15:48
The ST vs GTI was done to death with the mk5 GTI. I guess the mags are jumping on the RS as it's the new one and the GTI is billed as being new too and, as said, ££££ wise they're similar. The mags generally go for road tests of the latest model as that's what their readers want. Next year it will be the next VXR vs the GTI, the following year the next Type R vs the GTI. The GTI is normally regarded as the benchmark as the allrounder and that's always the 'one to beat'. For the last 30 odd years every couple of months the mags headlines scream ''This is the car that steals the GTI's crown''. How many times has the Golf GTI lost its crown?

And while we are at it, I can't see myself pulling up outside a 5 star hotel in a GTI either, Travelodge maybe.... :smiley:

You are quite right, of course.  I'm suffering from not having looked at these things until I decided to change my car.  (Maybe if I'd been buying the mags regularly, I'd have traded in the Peugeot years ago....)

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #46 on: 18 July 2009, 12:17 »

one for Rolfe - in the Autocar full review they rank the GTI first amongst its peers, above the Focus ST and Leon FR.  They quote that the ST is more a GT than a hot hatch (though the same could be said of the Golf I reckon) and also cite higher running costs.  The FR has the same engine and near enough performance but was "less polished", though excellent refinement and poise AND 4k cheaper!  (looks ugly IMO though)

Personally I reckon the Golf is likely to have the greatest longevity.  I'm not particularly keen on changing cars too often, so the Golf is perfect as I think it won't date as quickly as the focus or leon.  It's like a little 3-series BMW really, hence I'm willing to pay a bit more.


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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #47 on: 18 July 2009, 13:12 »
Quote from: keelaw on 18 July 2009, 12:17
looks ugly IMO though

Agreed, and - more crucially - cheap & nasty.
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #48 on: 18 July 2009, 14:52 »
Well, I never got close to one as the dealer I went to first didn't have even a brochure never mind an actual car.  I was recommended to go to another dealer, but by that time I'd had a sniff of the Golf so I didn't bother.

What I still don't understand is why the Top Gear reviews of both cars specifically state that the Focus ST is more economical to run than the Golf.  It was the better fuel economy of the Golf that first made me sit up and take notice, and it's in a lower road tax bracket.  Anybody know where Top Gear are getting their rating from?

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #49 on: 18 July 2009, 18:06 »
Quote from: Rolfe on 18 July 2009, 14:52
Well, I never got close to one as the dealer I went to first didn't have even a brochure never mind an actual car.  I was recommended to go to another dealer, but by that time I'd had a sniff of the Golf so I didn't bother.

What I still don't understand is why the Top Gear reviews of both cars specifically state that the Focus ST is more economical to run than the Golf.  It was the better fuel economy of the Golf that first made me sit up and take notice, and it's in a lower road tax bracket.  Anybody know where Top Gear are getting their rating from?

Rolfe.


from their derriere?  :p

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