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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #30 on: 17 July 2009, 11:21 »
Another little touch I liked in that review was what looked like an "honourable mention" for the Peugeot 306 GTi-6 (page 49, in the middle of the review of the 207 GTi).

Ah, great car....  :cry:

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #31 on: 17 July 2009, 13:13 »

Horses for courses, but I wouldn't have wanted anything quite that blatant.


Agreed, but is that not why we all own nice subtle VW's instead of garish orange Fords...?  :laugh:
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #32 on: 17 July 2009, 13:54 »
Well, that was sort of the point I was getting to.  The Focus that better compares with the Golf GTi is the ST, not the RS.  The ST performs fairly close to the GTi, and like the GTi it can look more or less like a standard Focus to the uninitiated.  You don't have to have it in orange!

Since the point that the RS was marked down on was exactly that, looking like a complete chav, it would have been interesting to see how the ST measured up against the same criteria.  I suppose they couldn't really include two different Focus models in the test though, and everyone would expect the RS to be there.

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #33 on: 17 July 2009, 14:09 »
Well, that was sort of the point I was getting to.  The Focus that better compares with the Golf GTi is the ST, not the RS.  The ST performs fairly close to the GTi, and like the GTi it can look more or less like a standard Focus to the uninitiated.  You don't have to have it in orange!

Since the point that the RS was marked down on was exactly that, looking like a complete chav, it would have been interesting to see how the ST measured up against the same criteria.  I suppose they couldn't really include two different Focus models in the test though, and everyone would expect the RS to be there.

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Why can't you compare the RS to the GTI, only the ST ?


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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #34 on: 17 July 2009, 14:30 »
Well you could compare the RS with the Golf easily enough as they cost about the same but they are aimed at slightly different buyers really.
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #35 on: 17 July 2009, 14:34 »
Unless I'm mistaken, it seems there are a lot of people out there that think because car A is faster therefore car A is better. If we all wanted fast cars then we'd buy an affordable car like an Evo and remap it to the moon.


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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #36 on: 17 July 2009, 14:50 »
Unless I'm mistaken, it seems there are a lot of people out there that think because car A is faster therefore car A is better. If we all wanted fast cars then we'd buy an affordable car like an Evo and remap it to the moon.

Agreed - it's intangibles you're talking about, not the top trumps attitude some folk seem to have to cars.

The GTi's have them in spades.

Well you could compare the RS with the Golf easily enough as they cost about the same but they are aimed at slightly different buyers really.
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #37 on: 17 July 2009, 14:50 »
And that's why the GTI has always been so popular. It's decently quick (not mk3 or 2.0 mk4), comfy, understated and acceptable anywhere.
As the Stella adverts said, ''reassuringly expensive''!!!

Horses for courses and all that, but the GTI is a multi-tasker, won't win many races but will probably have the highest average.

I think the fairest comparison would be against a Leon FR which shares most of the mechanicals and much underpinnings. The Leon is well over two grand cheaper, maybe nearer four now and yet the GTI will outsell the FR many times over (at least in the UK) which either means we are all snobs or VW are getting the blend just about right (apart from the slightly silly high price).
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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #38 on: 17 July 2009, 15:29 »
Why can't you compare the RS to the GTI, only the ST ?

Of course you can compare the RS to the GTi, that's exactly what the What Car? test did.  The RS lost by a whisker, apparently on the grounds that is wasn't as versatile - that it looked like a boy racer's car that you wouldn't want to drive up to a five-star hotel in.  However, the ST isn't nearly so chavvy as the RS, so arguably might stack up better against the GTi if this is going to be your dealbreaker criterion.

I just thought it would have been interesting to see the GTi and the ST compared.  That was the choice I was looking at making - I would never have considered the RS.  However, they obviously weren't going to include two Focus models in the test, and the RS was the obvious model to include.

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Re: What Car Hot Hatch test
« Reply #39 on: 17 July 2009, 15:48 »
Why can't you compare the RS to the GTI, only the ST ?

Of course you can compare the RS to the GTi, that's exactly what the What Car? test did.  The RS lost by a whisker, apparently on the grounds that is wasn't as versatile - that it looked like a boy racer's car that you wouldn't want to drive up to a five-star hotel in.  However, the ST isn't nearly so chavvy as the RS, so arguably might stack up better against the GTi if this is going to be your dealbreaker criterion.

I just thought it would have been interesting to see the GTi and the ST compared.  That was the choice I was looking at making - I would never have considered the RS.  However, they obviously weren't going to include two Focus models in the test, and the RS was the obvious model to include.

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The ST vs GTI was done to death with the mk5 GTI. I guess the mags are jumping on the RS as it's the new one and the GTI is billed as being new too and, as said, ££££ wise they're similar. The mags generally go for road tests of the latest model as that's what their readers want. Next year it will be the next VXR vs the GTI, the following year the next Type R vs the GTI. The GTI is normally regarded as the benchmark as the allrounder and that's always the 'one to beat'. For the last 30 odd years every couple of months the mags headlines scream ''This is the car that steals the GTI's crown''. How many times has the Golf GTI lost its crown?

And while we are at it, I can't see myself pulling up outside a 5 star hotel in a GTI either, Travelodge maybe.... :smiley:
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