Manual or DSG?

[GTaye]

At the risk of hijacking the thread...
Another technology that never went away but has been relegated to occasional use is the down tube road shifter.  We have all seen Lance, Marco, and many other Tour de France riders equipping their bikes with a front down tube shifter for climbing stages.  Why?   For front shifting nothing beats either a down tube or thumb shifter.  Friction is the way to go for precise adjustment and no chain rub.  It is also the way to go if you want to lighten up your already light road bike, a must for gaining an edge on the competition.

[Hairy Porter]

My Jack Taylor had down tube shifters. 

[SilverChariot]

My Jack Taylor had down tube shifters. 

Can you climb hills on it like Lance Armstrong?

[gossa]

At the risk of hijacking the thread...
Another technology that never went away but has been relegated to occasional use is the down tube road shifter.  We have all seen Lance, Marco, and many other Tour de France riders equipping their bikes with a front down tube shifter for climbing stages.  Why?   For front shifting nothing beats either a down tube or thumb shifter.  Friction is the way to go for precise adjustment and no chain rub.  It is also the way to go if you want to lighten up your already light road bike, a must for gaining an edge on the competition.

Don't know where you got that from but it must be well old, Pantani snuffed it years ago. Manufacturers have built more 'trimming' into front shifting on road  bikes to alleviate cable rub. D12 is the nuts though and nothing like DSG as you still decide when to shift up and down, it just does it quicker and smoother than cable operated.

[Rolfe]

Well for me personally, I've never had a great amount of money growing up and only in the part 15 years or so I have been able to start living at a decent standard. I appreciate money more and the value of it. I'm proud to now be in a comfortable position to own a GTI, so when I see people say its 'Just a Golf' or 'Its a shopping run car' it f**kin riles me, but I think I get it now, there's some people out there that are spoon fed spoilt thingys and have probably never worked a day in their life, or are lucky enough to have a high paid pen pusher job that they have lost all track of reality and can discredit the GTI so easily. Just because you and others think thats what the car is, doesnt make it so, some people including myself have worked hard as f**k to get one. Count yourself lucky you have one and possibly more than one car, the snob nosed arrogance is oozing out of some people here its ridiculous, others are not as lucky and its an achievement owning one including myself.

Actually, what he said.  And I've got three university degrees and vets are supposed to be among the higher earners in the population.  And I'm not actually complaining about my income, but I'm chuffed to bits to be able to own a Golf GTi.  I'm especially pleased that it will go fetch the cat food and the milk, and ferry the entire car-pool to choir practice, and also go like a bat out of hell when I want it to.

The idea of one person owning more than one car does my head in.  The Golf GTi is all the car I want, and that's exactly the point.

Rolfe.

[Rolfe]

So, to summarise 27 pages of the great manual vs DSG battle: each to their own?

I think that's about it!

I hear all the remonstrations from the manual brigade, and I've driven manual cars for nearly 40 years.  I'm just getting used to the DSG and I haven't got the hang of the kickdown yet (I don't feel this "stop" before the kickdown kicks in, but no doubt I'll get there), but the sheer versatility of the DSG is impressive.

I've decided I love it.  Each to his own though, and I don't see any point in slagging off those of the opposite persuasion.

Rolfe.

[Hairy Porter]

So, to summarise 27 pages of the great manual vs DSG battle: each to their own?

I think that's about it!

I hear all the remonstrations from the manual brigade, and I've driven manual cars for nearly 40 years.  I'm just getting used to the DSG and I haven't got the hang of the kickdown yet (I don't feel this "stop" before the kickdown kicks in, but no doubt I'll get there), but the sheer versatility of the DSG is impressive.

I've decided I love it.  Each to his own though, and I don't see any point in slagging off those of the opposite persuasion.

Rolfe.

Of course you do.
One of the most effective slagging posts ever.

PS I raise your three degrees with a Ph.D.

[keelaw]

(I don't feel this "stop" before the kickdown kicks in, but no doubt I'll get there)

that's because in D mode it will change down itself for you if the engine is struggling or if you give it a bit more sudden oomph on the throttle.

tho today i tried driving around in manual mode, pootling along in 6th at 40mph, pressed the pedal hard, though not to the kick down, and sure enough it does stay in 6th.  if i go for kick down, it'll drop straight into 2nd in an instant.  if i was in D and in 6th, then a firm prod on the throttle (not to kick down) and it'll drop to 4th.

[Rolfe]

[quote author=Hairy Porter link=topic=122285.msg1159053#msg1159053 date=1253573
Of course you do.
One of the most effective slagging posts ever.

PS I raise your three degrees with a Ph.D.
[/quote]

One of mine's a PhD s well.   

Rolfe.

[Ess_Three]

The idea of one person owning more than one car does my head in.  The Golf GTi is all the car I want, and that's exactly the point.

Why does the idea of owning more than one car do your head in?