Manual or DSG?

[matchboy]

 
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...not how some goon in a cheap suit and plastic shoes decides I should drive.

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[rjwojcik]

Can you get a remap for the DSG?  I'm sure I've seen people talking about these things elsewhere, they seemed to mention you could then have it hold onto the gear and not change up near the rev limit.]

Maybe...but you shouldn't have to buy a new car and immediately start putting right the wrongs...it should be just so from new. With manual, it is.

But then you could also use the same arguement about the engine, why chip it (but people do)?  I would have thought engine, gearbox and other systems in modern cars have a margin of safety and tolerance built in, all you're doing is changing it to behave they way you prefer (and reducing the margins).

[Ess_Three]

But then you could also use the same arguement about the engine, why chip it (but people do)?  I would have thought engine, gearbox and other systems in modern cars have a margin of safety and tolerance built in, all you're doing is changing it to behave they way you prefer (and reducing the margins).

Indeed you could..
But you'd chip it to give you more of what you want...not completely change the function, just do more of what it does anyway.
Same for fitting big brakes...

But with DSG you'd have to completely change it's operation...which would involve removing it and fitting a 6 speed manual with a gear lever, in order to make me happy with it.

No matter, I went in with an open mind...and came out with a very firm opinion.
Manual it is.

[S2000_Europe]

You mean the same 'official' 0-60 of 7.2 when it was being tested at nearly a second quicker 

Writing fact at the end proves nothing mate, DSG is more economical, it is always in the optimum gear for the revs which uses as little power as possible when in D and driving slowly.

I just posted up the stats for you to see!

I think we can agree to disagree on this one.
Have VW got their figures wrong?

There is and article on EVO Magazine, July issue I think, arguing about the Co2 and fuel Economy figures of Automatic cars.
In summary, Car markers cheat using gearboxes map for gear selection that manual car can not copy because the car would stall. I will try to scan the article and post it here

I am still deating fi manual o DSG. I the future maybe I will do a remap, a mkVI and it seems that DSG can not hold to much torque, 280Nm is the limit?

[Jkctr]

Hurdy and jonnyc have ALOT more torque than that 

[Max Q]

In 'manual' it still changed up when it wanted to...not when I did.

It will only change up above redline to protect the engine - that's the only instance in which it will change up in manual. Did you redline it? If not, then are you sure you were in manual (i.e. shifter in the gate to the left of D), or just the temporary manual takeover when you start shifting with the paddles with the shifter still in D? In the manaul takeover mode it reverts to auto after 30s of non-use of the paddles, and so might change up in this case.

[Jkctr]

It will drop down in manual if you hit the 'kick' button too

[Ess_Three]

It will only change up above redline to protect the engine - that's the only instance in which it will change up in manual. Did you redline it?

I did, and it changed up...not that I'm in the habit of sitting on the limiter, but on the track, there is a regular instance where I have done in the past, to avoid a up, immediate down change...I wanted to know it would do it, as a manual will...and it won't.

If not, then are you sure you were in manual (i.e. shifter in the gate to the left of D), or just the temporary manual takeover when you start shifting with the paddles with the shifter still in D? In the manaul takeover mode it reverts to auto after 30s of non-use of the paddles, and so might change up in this case.

Accross the gate for sure....I got fed up with the ECU taking over and reverting back in temporary manual takeover.

[Ess_Three]

It will drop down in manual if you hit the 'kick' button too

I didn't like that either...
I had already decided 4th would be fine, as I'd dropped two gears (at the speed 'it' wanted too, not the speed I wanted it to!) but oh no, DSG wanted 3rd...
The result was manic revving and much cursing...
4th and full throttle would have been just fine.

[R32UK]

It will drop down in manual if you hit the 'kick' button too

I didn't like that either...
I had already decided 4th would be fine, as I'd dropped two gears (at the speed 'it' wanted too, not the speed I wanted it to!) but oh no, DSG wanted 3rd...
The result was manic revving and much cursing...
4th and full throttle would have been just fine.

try it in an R32 mate.. scares the crap out of anyone stood within 10ft of you!!