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Re: Tyres
« Reply #90 on: 19 August 2009, 18:19 »
In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen  :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?

What tyres do you have?  It is well known that directional tyres are particularly prone to aquaplaning.  :wink:
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #91 on: 19 August 2009, 18:19 »
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #92 on: 19 August 2009, 18:24 »
In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen  :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?

What tyres do you have?  It is well known that directional tyres are particularly prone to aquaplaning.  :wink:

I thought practically all tyres are directional now?
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #93 on: 19 August 2009, 18:28 »
Nope. My Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrics aren't.

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Re: Tyres
« Reply #94 on: 19 August 2009, 18:30 »
I'm not a tyre expert unfortunately  :grin:
I thought directionals were good in the wet, unless you fit them on the wrong side  :sick:
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #95 on: 19 August 2009, 18:31 »
In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen  :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?

What tyres do you have?  It is well known that directional tyres are particularly prone to aquaplaning.  :wink:

I thought practically all tyres are directional now?

Noooooooo - directional are old hat.  Most modern tyres are actually asymmetrical - which is quite different to directional - although I can fully understand how peeps get confused.

What brand or type of tyre are you familiar with, and I'll see if I can help with any <cough>corrections<cough>!  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #96 on: 19 August 2009, 18:33 »
I'm familiar with directionals and non-directions i think.
Now that just sounds dumb  :embarassed:
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #97 on: 19 August 2009, 18:34 »
Ive got some nankangs or sumsh!t. Cheapest things I could get my hands on because it needed some new ones from my worn out bridgestones b4 it gets sold. But its always done it to be fair just worse now :)

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Re: Tyres
« Reply #98 on: 19 August 2009, 18:39 »
I'm not a tyre expert unfortunately  :grin:
I thought directionals were good in the wet, unless you fit them on the wrong side  :sick:

OK, everyone knows the Goodyear GSD3 (don't they?  :undecided:) - anyway, these were 'directional' - and could be identified with a Y shaped tread pattern.  Both shoulders of the tyres were identical - but they had an arrow on the sidewall indicating which direction they should be rotated.

But asymmetrics are very different - when you look across the whole surface of the tread, from one shoulder to the other, one side will be very different to the other.  On one sidewall, it will say 'outside' and on the other, it will say 'inside'.  On the more expensive tyres, they generally use two different rubber compounds - a harder compound on the outer edge, to cope with the increased loads when cornering, and a softer compound on the inner edge, so the tyre can disperse water and provide a degree of 'flexing'.

Google images of the GSD3 and the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2.  :wink:
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Re: Tyres
« Reply #99 on: 19 August 2009, 21:16 »
TT, have you driven the MK6 GTI with the latest Dunlops fitted?

Nope.  But have you driven the Mk5 with the Dunlops?  :smug:
No I haven't but why is that relvant?


But, based on the numerous complaints on here about the Mk5 with Dunlops, and the simple fact that the Mk6 has identical chassis and suspension geometery as the Mk5 - then any Mk6 with Dunlop SportMaxxes are very highly likely to be 'underwhealmed' by their overall abilites.  And I honestly doubt that any 'new' SportMaxx are going to be any better.  And this is backed up by comparing a couple of 580 horsepower V10 twin turbo RS6s - one with Pirelli P-Zero, and the other with Dunlop SportMaxx GT (which are allegedly an even higher performance version compared to the GTI-size SportMaxx TT) - and the Dunlop shod one was notably inferior when 'pressing on'!  :wink:

Again, can't see the relevance of different tyres on different cars
If you haven't do you think it's nice (or wise) to scare owners and potential owners because you have been deemed to have an 'expert opinion and you say they are shyte?

Erm, when the fcuk have I ever said I am an 'expert' ???  I, just like many other 'established' users on this forum simply speak from experience regarding the Dunlops - and I think it is only reasonable that any potential 'pitfalls' are aired.  But if someone then gets 'scared' - best they cancel their order, and stay at home, with the doors locked - because they might get run over by the bus!
I thought you did this for a living mate? would you not consider yourself an expert?
But it goes back to the old long-standing fundamentals - you should only drive the car WITHIN the capabilites of the car (which includes the tyres) and your own abilities!
well within my experience as a driver and the enhanced capabilities of my remapped GTI, the Dunlops feel just fine and better than the P Zero Rossos on my Scirocco
I am not an expert, however my real world experience as a typical driver is that the Dunlops on my Mk6 GTI have excellent feel, especially cornering and I believe I currently have the only revo remapped 270bhp MK6 in the UK and would deem myself an 'enthusiastic' driver.

So the opinions and direct experience of hundreds, or even thousands of PQ35 platform users, irrespective of engine output - are all worthless - and yours is the only opinion we should listen too?  :rolleyes:

I don't know about them and their car cars but this is the MK6 section and I think the opinions of MK6 owners is more relevant to potential and existing MK6 owners.

A Mk6 GTI still uses the Mk5 PQ35 platform, suspension, steering, brakes, etc - so Mk5 info is most definatly relevent.

Possibly but the MK6 suspension isn't exactly the same as the MK5 so the car may handle different might it not?

But instead of slanging each other off - can you please confirm exactly what spec Dunlops you have - then at least we can all move on with some slightly more definative info.  :smiley:

Yes mate, mine are SP Sportmaxx
The last thing I would want right now is to be matchboy who hasn't even taken delivery of his car and will be gutted and possibly sh!tt!ng himself because an expert gave a negative opinion on a tyre he may or may not have driven on?

I'll treat that particular paragraph with the utter contempt it deserves . . .

Why does it deserve contempt? When I collected my car I was gutted it had the Dunlops on because all of the negativity towards them on this forum and it somewhat dampened the buying experience of my brand new GTI. However on my car, in my hands, on my roads, they feel fine, even great.  Yes when they wear I might try something else (maybe Michelin Pilots that I had and liked on my A4) but how can you form the opinion they are shyte and dangerous etc when you haven't driven on them on that car? I'm sure you're just trying to help with your opinion but do you see my point?

EDITED: for spelling (in case any Mk6 owners think I am changing my 'expert' opinion  :wink:)