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Offline Petec82

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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #120 on: 21 June 2009, 17:27 »
I think some people take all this way too seriously. I spend money on my car which I don't have too indeed spending it on a 8v is deemed by many to be a waste of money but its my choice! I don't do it to make it as quick as a 16v or so I can race the chav down the road in his Saxo I do it cos its my Golf. I did the same with my previous mk3 and my mk2 and my dad does it with his Beetle!

One thing I have noticed though is in the air cooled scene there isn't so much hostility and aggression! In the water cooled scene everything seems like a competition, whos faster, you bought the wrong golf etc etc. No one cares when it comes to air cooled they all just seem to do there own thing and if another person don't like it they just run with it, its about individuality I guess, maybe we should take a leaf out of their book!

Some people want 8v some want 16, some people want a mk2 some a 3, some people wanna drive a friggin Smart car but its up to them we should all chill!

Sorry rant over  :grin:
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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #121 on: 21 June 2009, 17:32 »

some people wanna drive a friggin Smart car but its up to them we should all chill!


It's alright, i drive a 1.3 skoda  :sick:

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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #122 on: 21 June 2009, 17:38 »

some people wanna drive a friggin Smart car but its up to them we should all chill!


It's alright, i drive a 1.3 skoda  :sick:

Even worse I once owned a 1300 Fiat Punto. :embarassed:
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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #123 on: 21 June 2009, 17:50 »
Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.

That is the conclusion of this thread.

Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol
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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #124 on: 21 June 2009, 18:04 »
Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.

That is the conclusion of this thread.

Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol

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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #125 on: 21 June 2009, 18:05 »
Tbh, we all need to own VR6's.

That is the conclusion of this thread.

Unless you dont own your car for the performance, in which case a non gti GL will do. lol

What was that b!tch?!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

If you want performance. VR6

If you want comforts, with gti look, GL it is.

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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #126 on: 21 June 2009, 18:22 »
It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.

And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.

Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t. :shocked:
in the search for ultimate performance then id start with a vr6 too, but if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.

The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.

Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?

Yes, in other words.
Come on mate, acknowledge it, 2800cc and 6 cylinders and only produces 30 hp more than a 2l 16v motor....You need to throw a lot of money towards a vr6 before it becomes what it should have been in the first place.


Have you ever driven one? I suspect not.
A good vr6 is very nippy, alot quicker than a 16v.
Lets face it, the golf vr6 lump is detuned, the vr6 in corrado is 190bhp with only 69cc more.
Add a free flowing exhaust(the golf exhaust is crap), a good filter and a remap, and you'll easily see more than 190bhp out of the golf lump.
Add cams and you'll easily get over 200bhp.
I wouldn't say thats big money for those mods.
Also try adding a VSR, not that cheap, but it increases low down torque massively on the vr6.
These manifolds are fitted to the v6 on the audi, and the v8, believe me thay are very good.
People seem to be under the illusion that to tune a vr6 you need forced induction, total rubbish.
OBDII vr6's are better than OBDI's, the golf magazine had a feature on this a few years back, the OBDII models were producing power nearer to the corrado as standard.
Bearing in mind the vr6 was first released in 1992, around that time, 174bhp was more than respectable for a hot hatch, and i think that the vr6 is great engineering, as fitting an engine that size in a front wheel drive golf isn't exactly that easy!!
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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #127 on: 21 June 2009, 18:27 »
It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.
That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.

And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.

Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t. :shocked:
in the search for ultimate performance then id start with a vr6 too, but if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself
well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.
from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.
why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.

The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.
no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.

Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?

Yes, in other words.
Come on mate, acknowledge it, 2800cc and 6 cylinders and only produces 30 hp more than a 2l 16v motor....You need to throw a lot of money towards a vr6 before it becomes what it should have been in the first place.


Have you ever driven one? I suspect not.
A good vr6 is very nippy, alot quicker than a 16v.
Lets face it, the golf vr6 lump is detuned, the vr6 in corrado is 190bhp with only 69cc more.
Add a free flowing exhaust(the golf exhaust is crap), a good filter and a remap, and you'll easily see more than 190bhp out of the golf lump.
Add cams and you'll easily get over 200bhp.
I wouldn't say thats big money for those mods.
Also try adding a VSR, not that cheap, but it increases low down torque massively on the vr6.
These manifolds are fitted to the v6 on the audi, and the v8, believe me thay are very good.
People seem to be under the illusion that to tune a vr6 you need forced induction, total rubbish.
OBDII vr6's are better than OBDI's, the golf magazine had a feature on this a few years back, the OBDII models were producing power nearer to the corrado as standard.
Bearing in mind the vr6 was first released in 1992, around that time, 174bhp was more than respectable for a hot hatch, and i think that the vr6 is great engineering, as fitting an engine that size in a front wheel drive golf isn't exactly that easy!!

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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #128 on: 21 June 2009, 18:32 »
 :grin:

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Re: And who said the 8v gti were slow!
« Reply #129 on: 21 June 2009, 18:35 »
hahaha :grin: