And who said the 8v gti were slow!

[shepgti]

Geez, you MK3 lot are always fighting when I come in here.

Calm down.



Everyone knows the VR6 is the best 

turbo'd 8v crossflow is the best

[Khare]

It probably goes quite well. But always treat rolling road figures with caution.
There's nothing wrong with 8v engines. I had a tuned up 8v in my old Astra GTE. It was a lot of fun.
However, you are better off starting with the highest tune standard unit to start with. ie: 16v.

That's very true, however, it's also fun making a slow dog run.

And as I said before, the only RR I trust is JKM.

Agree there with Khare although i'd rather start with a vr6 than a 16v, my vr made my 16v look weak and supprisingly my ex bro inlaw couldn't lose my vr which was quite impressive especially considering he had a 280bhp r32 skyline gts-t.

in the search for ultimate performance then id start with a vr6 too, but if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.

abfs generally make more than 150 nowadays anyway, vw were a bit conservative in their estimates. dont forget that the 4-2-1 also involved removbing the cat which is a restriction in of itself

well yes i know vw limited the abf power cos they didnt want it to conflict wth the vr6, hence why an abf is popular choice amongst the mk2ers. still, it was limited to 150hp, and a manifold and decat giving 23hp is an awesome gain, just goes to show how important exhaust is.

ABF's were not limited also the VR6 was aimed at a different market.

from what I heard the abf was limited to 150 because VW did not want it to compete against the vr6. lets be honest dude, 4 cyl 16v with 150 hp, nice. 6 cyl with 12v and 2.8 litres only 180hp? dreadful...

The 8V and 16V’s were aimed at the hot hatch market, the VR6 was aimed more at the Bmw 3 series owners, hence the VR6 being a lot more money new, people seem to think they limited the ABF but common knowledge seems to be that they did not.

why would VW release a hothatch that competes with saloons? thats silly.
the vr6 was more for the "ultimate" hot hatch title, like the R32 with the mk4 and mk5, or the trophy with the renault, or the ST/RS with the ford. Doubt VW launched a hot hatch to compete with a luxury saloon.

The VR6 was never marketed as a hot hatch but more of a GT car as such, group tests at the time pitched it against the likes of Bmw 328I’s and Merc C280’s, VW after a couple of years even removed the bodykit, I could scan and post the grouptest if you like.

no its fine, I dont wanna have to type too much. All I say is....sh!t unless you spend lots and lots of money on it.

Are you saying the vr6 is sh!t?

Yes, in other words.
Come on mate, acknowledge it, 2800cc and 6 cylinders and only produces 30 hp more than a 2l 16v motor....You need to throw a lot of money towards a vr6 before it becomes what it should have been in the first place.

[danny_p]

2.0 8v  can make 150 without issue, there are 2.0 8v mk1's runnign around with 170 bhp motors  it's not hard to do just not cheep.

the 2.0 16v ABF was developed for seat  and was meant to be  175 bhp the is pritty obvious for 2 reasons  1) it goes to 175 bhp quite easyl 2) i have copys of eproms whitch are soposedly  from development / test engines    

it is belived that the ABF was detuned for meany reasons.   to a power gap between it and the vr6,  emissions , or the eu requirement for all engines to be abel to run safely on 95 octane fuel without damage.

[Mew]

if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.

Go on then, buy and tune an 8v or 16v for less than £1k and compare it to the vr6 you can buy for a grand

[Khare]

if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.

Go on then, buy and tune an 8v or 16v for less than £1k and compare it to the vr6 you can buy for a grand

for £1000 you can increase the 16v hp to quite a fair bit more than a VR6 standard figures.

[Petec82]

if you want some cheap fun then making something slow faster is the way forward, tuning a vr6 is very expensive.

Go on then, buy and tune an 8v or 16v for less than £1k and compare it to the vr6 you can buy for a grand

for £1000 you can increase the 16v hp to quite a fair bit more than a VR6 standard figures.

Agreed! It wouldn't be too hard or expensive! For a grand you could build an impessive motor that would blow a standard vr off the road!

The point is null and void however if you put said 16v up against a vr with a grands worth of mods! Personally I'd rather have the 16v but I think it is down to just that... personal taste and maybe driving style!
Pete

[Khare]

also, whereas for £1000 you would tune a 16v mild/heavy, it would only be basic/mild on a VR6, + VR6 will always be more expensive to insure, run and maintain.

[Petec82]

also, whereas for £1000 you would tune a 16v mild/heavy, it would only be basic/mild on a VR6, + VR6 will always be more expensive to insure, run and maintain.

I was on the verge of buying a modified vr off a mate of my dads as a second car! He was shouting of a great big list of mods and I was all ready to sign on the dotted line when he told me ...... It does 16mpg
Pete

[Mew]

No, buy the car and tune for £1k

[Petec82]

No, buy the car and tune for £1k

I'm sure any vr you bought for 1k would be well worth having 
pete