DSG - at lights.....

[ifti]

Sorry JulesV6 but the car does know when the brake is engaged when at a stop!  Try this comparison:

Foot on brake..........clutch is reduced to bare minimum..........practically no demand from engine.
Take foot off brake...........momentary lapse of time before clutch engages more and car starts to move forward.

Thats very true actually - when you take your foot off of the brake, there is a split second before the car starts moving forward.....probably while the clutch re-engages?

[Jkctr]

Sorry JulesV6 but the car does know when the brake is engaged when at a stop!  Try this comparison:

Foot on brake..........clutch is reduced to bare minimum..........practically no demand from engine.
Take foot off brake...........momentary lapse of time before clutch engages more and car starts to move forward.

lol

It doesnt mate. Thats just a delay in power.

This has been done. It does not disengage, its a fact. Put your foot on the brake, wait for your magical brake pedal to disengage the clutch, then put it into N and listen for the clutch to actually disengage 

[arletty69]

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We are talking  about degree of 'engagement'.  In D with foot on break the clutch is AS NEAR AS DAMIT disengaged!  The friction between the plates is a BARE MINIMUM!  Personaly, when I change from D to N with my foot on the brake the change in engine note is barely discernable.

I recap...............when you have your foot on the brake (at rest) the clutch is as near as makes no ods.......disengaged.

[Jkctr]

Read this

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=90517.30

[arletty69]

As TT correctly points out............Foot on break in D.....  'The clutch is being held at the bite point' which is exactly what I am saying.....  AS NEAR AS DAMIT DISENGAGED!   MINIMAL FRICTION BETWEEN CLUTCH PLATES!  However, I think TT is wrong to compare this with holding a manual car on a hill with the clutch as this requires a higher level of 'engagement' which will quickly result in clutch wear.

[Jkctr]

But it is not disengaged and is the same as holding a manual on the bite. Putting it in N is disengaging the clutch.

How ever you look at it you should not leave the DSG in D for long periods (it is not the same as a manual clutch or an auto!)

[arletty69]

Agreed, you should not leave the box in D for long periods when at rest and as it happens I always shift to N at traffic lights etc.  I am very aware that the DSG box is not the same as a manual or torque converter type auto box.

When it comes to a manual box, would you consider the following points true:

When the clutch pedal is fully down..............the clutch is fully disengaged.

When the clutch pedal is fully up...............the clutch is fully engaged

When the clutch pedal is just starting to bite (THE BITE POINT)...............the clutch is AS NEAR AS DAMIT DISENGAGED!

Are you perhaps confusing the clutch with the actual engagement of the gear:

It is true that when in D, 2nd gear is engaged (1st gear when in S) and putting your foot on the brake at rest will not disengage the gear.  However, a clutch is a clutch whether for a manual box or a DSG (albeit oil bath for the DSG which should reduce wear of the plates) and I repeat and maintain my opinion that:

When at rest in D with your foot on the brake the CLUTCH is barely biting and is AS NEAR AS DAMIT DISENGAGED!

[TagnuT]

So what is the point in having 'P'?
In a manual car, you put the gearstick in the neutral position, and switch the car off etc.
Sorry, maybe a stupid question, but just wondering what the difference between 'P' and 'N' are! I thought 'P' also applied another brake while parked?

In 'P' something does 'engage' as you can feel it - also if the car moves a few inches (such as the time between applying 'P' and releasing the footbrake) the car will stop moving.

Also it can't be good keeping your foot on the break - the clutch is still engaged to a certain degree and is probably just as bad as "slipping" the clutch in a manual when stationary

When you put it in P dosen't the shift lock and transmission lock engage?

[ifti]

So what if you come to lights, and put it into 'N' - can you keep your foot on the brake rather then putting the handbrake on/off?
Since the clutch would be disengaged, keeping your foot on the brake wouldnt make any difference would it??

Unless you've had a spirited drive - but Im talking of normal 'sensible' driving here.....so little chance of warping the brakes etc....

[TagnuT]

So what if you come to lights, and put it into 'N' - can you keep your foot on the brake rather then putting the handbrake on/off?
Since the clutch would be disengaged, keeping your foot on the brake wouldnt make any difference would it??

Unless you've had a spirited drive - but Im talking of normal 'sensible' driving here.....so little chance of warping the brakes etc....

Yup, your right