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Offline mjhall

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Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« on: 07 April 2009, 00:27 »
Driving back from London to Cumbria yesterday i noticed a bit of smoke from the exhaust and the battery light had come on on the M40.  Carried on going as all seemed fine, till I got to Lancaster when the electrics all died, warning lights came on etc.  Got off the mway ok and local garage charged battery for me so car started and got me home ok.

Opened the bonnet and the alternator belt has melted and snapped and is covered in green slime (aircon fluid?).  The hub on the aircon pump is completely seized.  The car seems to run fine and everything works as far as I can tell, but the battery wears down as the alternators not connected as the belts snapped. Presumably the hub seized, belt couldnt go round and got hot till it broke.

Any ideas?  Will the air con hub need replacing or the air con pump or more?

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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #1 on: 07 April 2009, 08:14 »
I suspect that you'll need a new air con compressor.
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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #2 on: 07 April 2009, 18:51 »
Sadly, the air con compressors are known to fail.  Best to run the air con for half an hour every month or so.

But you really shouldn't have carried on driving with the battery light on, as your power steering will also fail.
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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #3 on: 07 April 2009, 19:04 »
I had the air con on more or less constantly and it always worked fine.  When the light came on assumed it was the alternator so just wanted to get home rather than break down on the motorway.

Rang 2 local garages today (as its out of warranty) both too busy even to look at it for 2 weeks!  They both said sounds like needs new air con compressor.  2nd one (local VW garage) said it would be ok to drive if I charged battery every night and didn't use wipers etc too much.

Are the air con compressors all the same for mk5 golfs?  Theres a few on ebay that look to be priced ok. Anyone know how much they are from VW dealer, plus fitting?

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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #4 on: 07 April 2009, 19:23 »
There are two basic types of a/c compressors fitted to the Mk5 (all petrol engined variants) - one is a Denso and the other is a Sanden.  One is known to be shyte, and is now discontinued, and the other is much more reliable (but I cant remember which is which!  :embarassed:  - search the net).

But looking at ETKA, the Denso one was fitted to virtually all Mk5s, whereas on my m/y2007, it has the Sanden compressor - so make of that what you like.  But my air con is hardly ever on, and it hasn't given me any probs.

But going back to your steering - did you not notice the steering get heavier as the battery got flat?  Because it should do.

Finally, if your local dub stealers cant help, have you thought about trying an automotive air con specialist?
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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #5 on: 07 April 2009, 19:44 »
It was on the motorway so wasn't doing too much steering. Didnt notice anything wrong with it till the battery went flat and it stopped altogether jsut was I was coming off mway sliproad.  Got the battery fully recharged at garage and the steering and all the elecs work fine now, although I've only driven it to work and back 3 miles since.

Wondering what to do next, take it to garage (in 2 weeks!) or get a compressor on ebay and get another mechanic to fit it.
Any idea how much this job would cost at a VW dealer? It it just a case of replacing the a/c pump and regassing?

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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #6 on: 08 April 2009, 10:07 »
First, having thought about this more - I don't think it is the actual pully hub which has seized (because you said you allways run with the air con turned on), but is highly likely to be the actual compressor itself which has seized.  Therefore, there may be a 'temporary' fix.  When the engine is turned off, and cold - try to see if the outer flange on the air con pully can free-wheel.  If you can get a new multi-ribbed belt fitted, and always keep the air con turned OFF, ie, press the ECON button so that the orange LED is lit - you could still continue to drive indefinately without the air con, and also not have to worry about flattening your battery.  Just make sure that the solenoid for the a/c hub engagement is working correctly - with the engine running, if you open the bonnet and watch and listen to the a/c compressor - get a helper to press the ECON button.  You should be able to hear the a/c freewheeling pulley engage.  Press the econ button again, and you should hear it disengage.  You might also be able to see a little movement at the freewheel flange of the pully.


It was on the motorway so wasn't doing too much steering. Didnt notice anything wrong with it till the battery went flat and it stopped altogether jsut was I was coming off mway sliproad.  Got the battery fully recharged at garage and the steering and all the elecs work fine now, although I've only driven it to work and back 3 miles since.

OK, you generally don't need much power assistance to the steering when driving in straight, or relatively straight lines - or when driving at speed.  But when leaving the m-way, they usually have roundabouts and the likes.  Anyway, did you notice the steering warning light come on in the instrument cluster?  If it lights up amber/yellow, then you are still OK to drive, but if it lights up red, then you really should stop the car ASAP - simply because the Golf Mk5 only has a beefy electric motor on the steering rack.  It doesn't use any pumps or hydraulics or the likes for the PAS, and when the electric motor doesn't have any power (due to a flat battery), then not only do you loose the power 'assistance', but you also have to work against the force of turning a 'dead' electric motor.  But if the steering light didn't illuminate, then you probably didn't completely drain the battery.

Wondering what to do next, take it to garage (in 2 weeks!) or get a compressor on ebay and get another mechanic to fit it.
Any idea how much this job would cost at a VW dealer? It it just a case of replacing the a/c pump and regassing?

So do I take it you like in Cumbria?  If so, you could try PM'ing (after you boost your post-count above 10  :wink: so hop over to the new members section, introduce yourself, and that should get your post count up) Egbert Nosh who is from Kendal - he might be able to tell you some other VW dealers in the area.  You could also try a Å koda or SEAT dealer, becuause they are all part of the Volkswagen Group, and all have access to getting the same parts (and might actually be cheaper than a VW garage) - or if you are feeling rich and desparate, an Audi garage might help.

Cost-wise from a VW dealer - I dunno really.

Getting one from eBay . . . . . . you need to make sure you get the right one.  On a 2005 Mk5 it should have the Denso one, part number 1K0 820 859 E, but from October 2007, that part was completely discontinued and replaced with part number 1K0 820 859 M (also a Denso one).  You will also need to add the correct amount of compressor oil (G 052 300 A2 - and about £50 for a 250ml tin!  :shocked:) - and this oil is crucial - as a lot of places (like Kwik-Fit) fail to add this when regassing.

You will also need a new multi-ribbed belt (21.34mm wide by 1042mm long - 06F 260 849 E) (but again, there are about 8 different part numbers for different belts - so you really need to make sure you get the correct one, and even on the GTI AXX engine, the belt was lengthened from 2006 [21.36mm wide by 1054mm long - 06F 260 849 L] - maybe to stop the compressor from premature wear  :undecided:).
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Re: Seized air con hub/pulley Mk5 '05 GTI
« Reply #7 on: 08 April 2009, 23:39 »
Thanks very much for the advice teutonic_tamer.

The power steering light did come on when the battery died coming off the mway (and the power steering felt heavy) but since I recharged the battery no warning lights are on except the alternator life.

I've rang 4 garages today, including my local VW stealer.  They said it sounds like the compressor has seized (and blown green aircon fluid all over the place).

The VW garage said if it was just the alternator belt and aircon pulley that needed replacing it would be £327 fitted inc VAT, but it sounds like the compressor needs replacing as well - total price £893!

Having spoken to three other (indepdendent) garages they all say the same thing but are all so busy they can't look for over a week.

One guy said it's possible fragments of broken compressor have got through the aircon system and it will need a full system flush and regas.

So at the minute I'm trying to locate a compressor pump on ebay or wherever and get one of the independent garages to fit it, which sounds better than shelling out 900 notes to the local VW dealer.

Has anyone else had this problem.  The VW dealer said it was rare but not unheard of. I did ask if there was any chance it could be done under warranty (thought its a year out of warranty) they said they could ask but not likely VW would pay out.