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Offline SO8

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #20 on: 11 March 2009, 15:06 »
Too quick for these slippy country roads around here.
That's the bluefin DSG upgrade.

Must organise that Quaife.

It will be OK once the roads warm up a bit  :wink:

When I had a TVR I never managed to get the power down in anything other than perfect conditions .... That car had 300 bhp as well but was obviously RWD . 

I think the problem is we expect a miracle because the car normally gets it's power down so well - 300 bhp through the front wheels is a hell of alot and if a TVR can't do it there is no way a Golf with a remap will do it any better.

TBH I think it copes with the power very well .... but I know what you mean - which is why I am still using the older DSG map by Superchips on my car instead of the newest more powerful one .... though that is sitting on the computer waiting to be uploaded  :evil:
How much HP does a TVR griffith have??? one the other day tried to keep up with round the roundabout and up the slip road, but couldnt keep up?

There is also a 4.0L TVR Griffith ... but not too many about.

My 5.0L TVR Griffith would absolutely murder a standard Edition 30.  There is simply no comparison.

A remapped Edition 30 in good conditions would certainly surprise a TVR driver.  I know alot of TVR owners who won't mess with turbo cars in case they get embarrassed  :grin:

FWIW ... my passengers think the ED 30 since remap feels akin to the Griffith for acceleration - but without the noise and sheer occasion of the TVR.  I loved the Griff and only sold it as I couldn't afford to keep it - but comparing a Griff to the ED 30 is not in any way comparing like with like.

On the subject of power outputs - most TVR's don't put out anywhere near what the manufacturer originally claimed.  My '320bhp' Griff only showed 260 bhp on a well established RR with my car running perfectly.  After a bit of work it put out 275 bhp.  I then spent £3000 uprating the injectors, intake plenum and engine management.  I ended up with just over 300bhp ... and quite a bit more torque.  To get to the claimed 320bhp you need to change the cams as well.  Every so often someone had a V8 TVR that produced quite a bit more than the norm ... but that was very rare.  Quite a few are not looked after or not driven well - maybe you found one of them .... I can only say what I know as the owner of both who enjoy/ed both  :evil:

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #21 on: 11 March 2009, 15:21 »
Yes this was on an R plate (97), were side by side, but change gear time i was pulling away, he was going for it, gave me the thumbs up when i left the motorway next junction. 240 bhp and dsg shifting, can see theres not much in it, as the back end of that TVR was struggling to grip around the roundabout.


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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #22 on: 11 March 2009, 15:25 »
My Chim 450 made 273bhp on the dyno and is scary fast in a straight line. But personally point to point I would still take a GTI/R32 any day and be quicker. Probably because I know one day the tiv will bite back, so is harder to drive it aggressively.

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #23 on: 11 March 2009, 15:39 »
Even in the dry I had to straighten the Griff before applying anything like full throttle - unless I wanted to go sideways  :evil:  Hold a constant speed around a roundabout and get it completely straight before going for it.

Driving any TVR is an experience that to my mind no other car manufacturer can match.  That said, as has been mentioned - any Golf, be it GTi, Edition 30 or particularly R32 would be easier to drive quickly on normal roads without fear of dying  :grin:  If they bite, they bite big !  It's abilities far exceeded mine and I always showed it suitable respect .... whilst really enjoying it when appropriate  :wink: 

It is the only car I have owned that genuinely surprised passengers with the way it pinned them to the seat - off the mark the pull was awesome and very easy to access thanks to the levels of torque available from tickover ....

(Sorry for the thread highjack by the way  :rolleyes:)

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #24 on: 11 March 2009, 16:12 »
Even in the dry I had to straighten the Griff before applying anything like full throttle - unless I wanted to go sideways  :evil:  Hold a constant speed around a roundabout and get it completely straight before going for it.

Driving any TVR is an experience that to my mind no other car manufacturer can match.  That said, as has been mentioned - any Golf, be it GTi, Edition 30 or particularly R32 would be easier to drive quickly on normal roads without fear of dying  :grin:  If they bite, they bite big !  It's abilities far exceeded mine and I always showed it suitable respect .... whilst really enjoying it when appropriate  :wink: 

It is the only car I have owned that genuinely surprised passengers with the way it pinned them to the seat - off the mark the pull was awesome and very easy to access thanks to the levels of torque available from tickover ....

(Sorry for the thread highjack by the way  :rolleyes:)
yes sorry, great car, and could see his car was twitching like mad, but all good fun.
Sorry....back on topic :wink:


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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #25 on: 11 March 2009, 16:31 »
Even in the dry I had to straighten the Griff before applying anything like full throttle - unless I wanted to go sideways  :evil:  Hold a constant speed around a roundabout and get it completely straight before going for it.

Driving any TVR is an experience that to my mind no other car manufacturer can match.  That said, as has been mentioned - any Golf, be it GTi, Edition 30 or particularly R32 would be easier to drive quickly on normal roads without fear of dying  :grin:  If they bite, they bite big !  It's abilities far exceeded mine and I always showed it suitable respect .... whilst really enjoying it when appropriate  :wink: 

It is the only car I have owned that genuinely surprised passengers with the way it pinned them to the seat - off the mark the pull was awesome and very easy to access thanks to the levels of torque available from tickover ....

(Sorry for the thread highjack by the way  :rolleyes:)

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #26 on: 11 March 2009, 17:16 »
How much power you running through yours Hurdy??

325bhp and 382lbft :laugh:

Bloody Hell!!
Will a quaife enable you to get all that power down though??
Jeez, you must slide all over the place when putting your foot down!!

Wet weather is a challenge for the right foot, but DSG is bl00dy good at letting you meter in the power. I have had wheelspin in 4th in the damp.
A Quaife is more about control around corners, than straightline speed. The Quaife will help, but even that can only do so much until the mechanical grip is overcome to both wheels.

You'd be surprised at the difference the Quaife makes John.  I was getting wheel spin to 70mph and I'm sure beyond if I had pushed it, which of course I didn't  :rolleyes:  With the Quaife its almost gone in 1st/2nd gear... just a little flicker of the ESP light and the car shoots off.  :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #27 on: 11 March 2009, 18:46 »
What exactly does a Quaife do?? I mean, where does it fit and what does it modify?

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #28 on: 11 March 2009, 20:12 »

Nearly slid off over a bridge today.  Glad it wasn't a 4WD car faffing about shuffling power about, if the back had broken away I'd be in the river.  As it was good old front drive understeer scrubbed off the speed.

Don't know why you K04 chaps bother remapping.

4WD's dont faff. only the driver faffs.

And maybe the K04 guys bother remapping because they actually know how to drive. Im a helpful guy.... you ever want to learn??? Im sure I could teach you :wink:

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Re: My car is now too powerful
« Reply #29 on: 11 March 2009, 20:15 »
What exactly does a Quaife do?? I mean, where does it fit and what does it modify?

The Quaife is a Torque biasing Limited Slip Differential. Basically it distributes the power to the front wheels. Once it feels one of the wheels slipping it transfers the power to the other wheel where it can best be used.

The standard car has what is called an open differential. This will deliver power to each wheel regardless of wheel slip.
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