T&D & LL Servicing

[ifti]

What are the pros and cons of both?

I will be doing journeys of around 20 miles on motorway most of the time (to and from work etc), so which would I be better suited to??

I believe LL service is between 16-20,000 miles? Whereas T&D is every year or 10k miles?

What are the differences in costs? Which is better for the car?

Also, does anyone have a full schedule of when I need to get bits done to the car (if DSG)? When it needs oil changes, cambelt changes, break fluid changes, filter changes, and so on?

Just want to get a good idea of maintenance costs

Thanks in advance.

[stealthwolf]

If you have a dig around on this forum, you'll find loads of threads that talk about this.

Essentially, look at the Long Life criteria and if you fit it (long journeys, revs below 3000rpm etc), then stick with it.

Otherwise stick with T&D.

For schedules, have a look in the owner's manual. It should be all listed.

[ifti]

I dont have the owners manual, hence my reason for asking, since I want to get an idea of maintenance costs etc before I buy.

If I do buy from a dealer I want to know more about the servicing so I can request which I want to be on.
Ive read through threads that touch on the servicing subject, but didnt find one that properly discussed the pros and cons - if Ive missed it then please feel free to post a link

[SO8]

My Ed 30 was put on LL servicing by the dealer without me being asked .... they threw in 3 years free servicing when I bought the car - I wonder if this is why ?

I don't do long journeys but do spend most on my time in London / 30 limits ... maybe that's why ?

[ifti]

So if you are doing short journeys, you should be on T&D shouldnt you??

[Saint Steve]

So if you are doing short journeys, you should be on T&D shouldnt you??

Yes you should be on time and Distance.  Dealers took the" cheaper to them "option 

[Hurdy]

Generally, with a GTI/ED30 you should opt for the T & D servicing schedule.....and specify the use of the long life oil with it. Unless you drive like miss Daisy or do astronaut miles then you should opt for LL.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

What are the pros and cons of both?

Read here: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=65779 

I will be doing journeys of around 20 miles on motorway most of the time (to and from work etc), so which would I be better suited to??

But will you be keeping your revs mainly below 3,000 rpms?  (And if so, why buy a GTI?  )

I believe LL service is between 16-20,000 miles? Whereas T&D is every year or 10k miles?

Not quite correct.  The LL regime is variable - which means under the perfect operating conditions (for the LL regime), then you may be able to achieve up to 24 months or up to around 16-17k miles (20k miles is actually impossible on a petrol engine with a turbo).  However, if your operation conditions are NOT suitable for the LL regime (and even if the car has been correctly coded for LL regime), then it can need a service in as little as 12 months or as little as 9,600 miles!      And this latter isn't some kind of fantasy or myth.  There are many owners who have been mislead, and found a GTI on LL needs a service after 9,600 miles (and this will then cost MORE money than if it were correctly coded to T&D).

But with the T&D servicing, you are correct.  The intervals are 'fixed', in so much as it will have a 'countdown' of 365 days and 10k miles - and whichever of these is reached first, then that is when the next T&D service is due.

What are the differences in costs? Which is better for the car?

Costs, well, if you are incorrectly set to LL, it can actually cost MORE than a correctly set T&D.

And without any doubt, whatsoever, T&D is clearly much better for the car.  Would you rather have fresh oil every 10k miles or every 20k miles.  Would you rather have your brake pads inspected every on year or two years?  A bit of a 'no-brainer'. 

Also, does anyone have a full schedule of when I need to get bits done to the car (if DSG)? When it needs oil changes, cambelt changes, break fluid changes, filter changes, and so on?

Bump this thread later today, and I will give a full answer.  Gotta go out now.

And Mods/Admins - this thread would be better if it were moved to the maintenance + info sub-section. 

Just want to get a good idea of maintenance costs

If you are genuinely worried about the costs of maintenance, then maybe you should really re-consider if a GTI is appropriate (or any car with DSG).  But if you are merely researching for budgetary reasons, then I apologise for the above comment. 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Generally, with a GTI/ED30 you should opt for the T & D servicing schedule.....and specify the use of the long life oil with it. Unless you drive like miss Daisy or do astronaut miles then you should opt for LL.

Agreed.

But then if you do drive like Miss Daisy, then even that may not be suitable for LL servicing.  The LL regime really has quite strict, and quite limiting operating conditions - and I wonder how many people genuinely comply with ALL of those conditions?

[ifti]

Thanks T_T - Im just asking for budgetry purposes.
To be completely honest, I probably will be driving like 'Miss Daisy' on my way to work every morning. Although its down a motorway/dual carriageways, the traffic usually means you cant get much higher then 70 anyways. Its for the drive home, and especially weekends, when I would like the power of the GTI
Im used to a T&D service regime with my current car, since I get that serviced every year or 10-12k miles anyway. I just wanted a better understanding of what LL servicing was all about. Nevertheless, it seems as though I'll probably stick with the T&D servicing regime anyways, especially if its better for the car.....