New tyres time..

[R32UK]

And it is these two reasons why I bought my RS4 into the melting pot.  

Are they any good?

£25,000 should buy me one.

They are very good! but for 25k.... this is what I would buy


http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/911910.htm

Yawn.  HTF can a rear wheel drive BMW with a SMG (Shyte Manual Gearbox  ), and complete lack of traction in anything but perfectly dry tarmac - and in a straight line - ever compare with the awesome 4wd of the RS4.   In everyday real world driving, none of the BMW M cars, nor the AMG Mercs, nor the Lexus IS-F can even come close to the traction of any of the Torsen 4wd Audis.

But if you like to get your Rse out on every corner, then by all means go for the M5.  But just dont think it could ever keep up with an RS4 in the twisties. 

I disagree. With an extra 100bhp and someone who knows what they are doing I would put my money on the M5 to easily beat the rs4. Sorry but its true because I say so

The old old saying, power is nothing without traction - and even the best drivers can NOT overcome the laws of physics.

I think that you will find that some of the fastest track cars are actually 2wd. Not that this is what the discussion is about. I would just rather have the M5 than an RS4 thats all. 

[Egbutt Wash]

Both are too bulky and heavy for me out in the sticks on C roads.  Roll on the new lightweight Mk7.  lol

[Teutonic_Tamer]

And it is these two reasons why I bought my RS4 into the melting pot.  

Are they any good?

£25,000 should buy me one.

They are very good! but for 25k.... this is what I would buy


http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/911910.htm

Yawn.  HTF can a rear wheel drive BMW with a SMG (Shyte Manual Gearbox  ), and complete lack of traction in anything but perfectly dry tarmac - and in a straight line - ever compare with the awesome 4wd of the RS4.   In everyday real world driving, none of the BMW M cars, nor the AMG Mercs, nor the Lexus IS-F can even come close to the traction of any of the Torsen 4wd Audis.

But if you like to get your Rse out on every corner, then by all means go for the M5.  But just dont think it could ever keep up with an RS4 in the twisties. 

I disagree. With an extra 100bhp and someone who knows what they are doing I would put my money on the M5 to easily beat the rs4. Sorry but its true because I say so

The old old saying, power is nothing without traction - and even the best drivers can NOT overcome the laws of physics.

I think that you will find that some of the fastest track cars are actually 2wd. Not that this is what the discussion is about. I would just rather have the M5 than an RS4 thats all. 

Why is four wheel drive banned in Formula 1.

Why is four wheel drive banned in the BTCC?

Why is four wheel drive banned in the DTM?

 . . . . .

Think I am going somewhere!    The ONLY reason that some of these 'track cars' happen to be rear wheel drive is simply because 4wd is banned.  Look what happened when Audi entered all the domestic Touring Car Championships with their quattro Audi A4 race car - it literally thrashed every single championship, including the (then) very highly rated rear wheel drive BMWs - and then the following season, 4wd was banned! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Both are too bulky and heavy for me out in the sticks on C roads.  Roll on the new lightweight Mk7.  lol

Erm, the RS4 certainly aint bulky, and it absolutly holds its own against much lighter stuff, even on the tightest of 'C' roads.

[R32UK]

I think that you will find that some of the fastest track cars are actually 2wd. Not that this is what the discussion is about. I would just rather have the M5 than an RS4 thats all. 

Why is four wheel drive banned in Formula 1.

Why is four wheel drive banned in the BTCC?

Why is four wheel drive banned in the DTM?

 . . . . .

Think I am going somewhere!    The ONLY reason that some of these 'track cars' happen to be rear wheel drive is simply because 4wd is banned.  Look what happened when Audi entered all the domestic Touring Car Championships with their quattro Audi A4 race car - it literally thrashed every single championship, including the (then) very highly rated rear wheel drive BMWs - and then the following season, 4wd was banned! 
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I think we are drifting off topic here slightly.... the M5 would still hand the RS4 its a$$ on a plate. 500bhp isnt exactly alot to put through a RWD.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

snipage

I think we are drifting off topic here slightly.... the M5 would still hand the RS4 its a$$ on a plate. 500bhp isnt exactly alot to put through a RWD.

Sorry, but you are dreaming.  The M5 'only' has an extra 80 horses over the RS4, but weighs a lot more, and has a shyte gearbox, and its power to weight ratio is actually worse than the RS4. 

[R32UK]

snipage

I think we are drifting off topic here slightly.... the M5 would still hand the RS4 its a$$ on a plate. 500bhp isnt exactly alot to put through a RWD.

Sorry, but you are dreaming.  The M5 'only' has an extra 80 horses over the RS4, but weighs a lot more, and has a shyte gearbox, and its power to weight ratio is actually worse than the RS4. 

Only one way to settle this...... 

I will be giving you a call when I get mine MR T_T

Till then we will leave it as a BMW win

[Teutonic_Tamer]

snipage

I think we are drifting off topic here slightly.... the M5 would still hand the RS4 its a$$ on a plate. 500bhp isnt exactly alot to put through a RWD.

Sorry, but you are dreaming.  The M5 'only' has an extra 80 horses over the RS4, but weighs a lot more, and has a shyte gearbox, and its power to weight ratio is actually worse than the RS4. 

Only one way to settle this...... 

I will be giving you a call when I get mine MR T_T

Till then we will leave it as a BMW win

We need to meet up somewhere around Donginton Park, then I will show you what the RS4 can do - and on Michelins too (drags thread back on topic <whistles>  )

[Egbutt Wash]

Rototest only obtained 328 bhp from the RS4, only 79% of the power claimed by Audi.

http://www.rri.se/popup/performancegraphs.php?ChartsID=769

(The GTI got 97% of the claimed power and 103% of the claimed torque)

http://www.rri.se/popup/performancegraphs.php?ChartsID=605

[Max Q]

According to Wikipedia (usual health warning), the RS4 was quicker around the Top Gear test track than the M5.

M5 did it in 126.2

and if you look in the notes down the bottom it says:

Top Gear Series 7, Episode 2 2005.11.20 – Jeremy Clarkson: "You know we put it around the track this morning, with the Stig driving it, OK, 1:25-point-something." – Actual lap not shown. Also Clarkson said that the RS4 is "more than a second quicker than the Cayman", so the RS4 is at least 1:25.7 around the track.

My money would be on the RS4 any day. 4WD>80 extra bhp.