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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #50 on: 27 February 2009, 21:09 »
My 2.0TDI S-line A4 was delivered new with conti's. Swapping them round managed 14k for the set.
Fitted GY F1 Asseys on, same again managed 16k.
Last June put 4 Kumho Ecsta KU31's, done 12.5k on the fronts alone and no where near the blocks yet.
Performance..................on par with conti's & asseys in dry, but a tad skittier in the wet, but nothing mad.

But imagine that on an RS4, with the massive extra loads and demands it places on its tyres.  1.8 tonnnes, 420 ponies, 8-pot Brembos or ceramic anchors.  It would rip the Kumhos to shreds, and probably trash a very expensive car in the process.  And all for saving a few quid on cheap crap tyres.

Tyres are really a model type thing IMO, some perform better than others on certain cars & power deliveries.

To a certain extent, I agree.  However, a shyte tyre will be a shyte tyre - irrespective of weather it is fitted to a Perodua Kelisa or a Bugatti Veyron!

I do agree with the brand snobbery on tyres though, lots of money does not=best tyres.

Yes, there is 'brand snobbery' with tyres, but that is no difference to brand snobbery between makes of cars.  I'm sure we'd all agree that Audi make far better cars than say sh!troen.  With cars and tyres, you generally do have to pay for better performance, and better quality.  Though expensive doesn't always mean best - particularly if you have been ripped off.  :wink:
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #51 on: 27 February 2009, 21:13 »
I have vredestein sessantas on mine and think they are great.  Fantastic grip and quiet.

I think you will be disapointed in them when the tread wears down.  Vredestein construct their tyres in an opposite 'ethos' to say Michelin or Continental.  Vredestein tend to use weaker more flexible carcasses, but with harder rubber compounds.  Their grip is developed due to the heat generated during the 'flexing' of the tread plies - but when the tread wears down, they actually become quite a handful.  You will probably find they start 'tramlineing' like crazy when they wear.
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #52 on: 27 February 2009, 22:19 »
I don't overinflate my tyres and bounce all over the road, I've a space hopper for that.

Kumhos for me, that's because I have fitted them before to a supercharged V8 (400 bhp, rwd) and they were better than the Pirellis fitted as standard.

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #53 on: 27 February 2009, 23:55 »
My 2.0TDI S-line A4 was delivered new with conti's. Swapping them round managed 14k for the set.
Fitted GY F1 Asseys on, same again managed 16k.
Last June put 4 Kumho Ecsta KU31's, done 12.5k on the fronts alone and no where near the blocks yet.
Performance..................on par with conti's & asseys in dry, but a tad skittier in the wet, but nothing mad.

But imagine that on an RS4, with the massive extra loads and demands it places on its tyres.  1.8 tonnnes, 420 ponies, 8-pot Brembos or ceramic anchors.  It would rip the Kumhos to shreds, and probably trash a very expensive car in the process.  And all for saving a few quid on cheap crap tyres.

ummmmm....noted = must be expensive to be good.

Tyres are really a model type thing IMO, some perform better than others on certain cars & power deliveries.

To a certain extent, I agree.  However, a shyte tyre will be a shyte tyre - irrespective of weather it is fitted to a Perodua Kelisa or a Bugatti Veyron!

To a certain extent we will agree to disagree

I do agree with the brand snobbery on tyres though, lots of money does not=best tyres.

Yes, there is 'brand snobbery' with tyres, but that is no difference to brand snobbery between makes of cars.  I'm sure we'd all agree that Audi make far better cars than say sh!troen.  With cars and tyres, you generally do have to pay for better performance, and better quality.  Though expensive doesn't always mean best - particularly if you have been ripped off.  :wink:

Fair comments matey, bring out the finest bangers over the blue & white stripey ones any day......& 1 series over a golf....quality. :drool:

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #54 on: 28 February 2009, 17:43 »
Used both the Assys and PS2's. I feel from my experience that the Assy is a better wet tyre without doubt, equal dry tyre and longer treadlife.

Had 3 PS2's suffer sidewall damage in the form of cuts from potholes, particularly when it was wet, and for this reason I would not purchase again.

So my vote is with the Assys. 

For those who are sick and tired (no pun) at premium brand tyre prices, the Kumho Ecsta KU31's are worth looking at. I have run them on my M3, along with PS1 and PS2 and now Assys, and without doubt the only thing budget about them is the price, they display better wet grip than both the Mich and Goodyears, similar dry grip and good treadlife, most people just will not try becuase of the name. But loads of EVO/Scooby/M3 drivers have switched and rave over them.

Not really heard much about the kumhos tbh.. would be interesting to have a read if you have a link.

Good to know that its not just the assyms that have a problem with the side wall. Would definately agree with the fact that the assyms seem to last alot longer than the PS2's which seem to be a softer compound. Will just have to remember that the Assyms seem to take a few thousand miles to wear in :grin:

Who says PS2s have a softer compound than the F1 Asymmetrics?  :huh:

ME!!  :tongue: Well by my own experience anyway. PS2 as good as they are, seem to wear much quicker than the F1's.... not by much but a noticeable amount.

Ahh, OK.  So you have actually used PS2s before?  :huh:

Anyhow, when you get a mo, look on the sidewall of your Eagle F1s, and write down and post the following three readings - 'treadwear', 'traction' and 'temperature'.  I'll try and do the same with the PS2s and we can compare.  :wink:

Here we go,

Mich PS2     220 AA A
Goodie Assy 240 AA A
Kumho KU31 320 AA A

I know cos I have the Assys on the car and the other 2 are mounted on sets of wheels in the garage, hence it has allowed me to really back to back the 3 tyre types.

Taking away any price consideration or perceived advantage due to name,

in terms of wear best to worst:

Kumho, Goodyear, Michelin

Dry grip

Goodyear, 2= Kumho,Michelin

Wet grip

Kumho, Goodyear, Michelin

Now I know I only have the benefit, of actually using all these tyres on my car, rather than making an untested opinion, and I appreciate unlike the mighty RS4's 420HP, I only have a weedy 350HP, but it is only going through 2 wheels, so thay are taking a lot of the strain here, to put the wear rate into context, the PS2's go down to 3mm (I junk tyres then) at 6k miles, the Kumhos have covered 8K and have 6mm left and the Assys have covered 7k and have 5.5mm left.

Now interms of price 4 PS2's in my size of 235/35/19 and 275/30/19 cost £1010, the Assys £628, and the Kumhos £390, these are mail ordered prices, thats how I buy them.

Now, as I said, all my findings are subjective, and are my own opinions, has I have found them in real world driving actually using the tyres on my car, hence that is how I come to the original conclusions that I posted.

Members can draw there own conclusions, but I know what I'll open my wallet for.
Fortunately, I can afford to run any of these tyres, but I ain't going to burn cash on a product that does not perform even if its got the fat guy stamped on the side.

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #55 on: 28 February 2009, 18:13 »
Good review that kent :grin: :grin: :grin:


Always nice no know someones opinion who has actually tried all the tires, and the fact its the same car obviously helps! I did have the PS2's but that was on my old C2, and at the time didnt really give a hoot about tyres.

The change from sportmaxx to f1's was a huge difference, but they do seem to take their time to bed in. Still havent had them changed :undecided: back end is all over the place and traction light belongs blackpool.... but its good to know that come monday I should have 4 of the best boots available. Never skimp on footwear is what I say :grin:

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #56 on: 01 March 2009, 18:02 »
Used both the Assys and PS2's. I feel from my experience that the Assy is a better wet tyre without doubt, equal dry tyre and longer treadlife.

Had 3 PS2's suffer sidewall damage in the form of cuts from potholes, particularly when it was wet, and for this reason I would not purchase again.

So my vote is with the Assys. 

For those who are sick and tired (no pun) at premium brand tyre prices, the Kumho Ecsta KU31's are worth looking at. I have run them on my M3, along with PS1 and PS2 and now Assys, and without doubt the only thing budget about them is the price, they display better wet grip than both the Mich and Goodyears, similar dry grip and good treadlife, most people just will not try becuase of the name. But loads of EVO/Scooby/M3 drivers have switched and rave over them.

Not really heard much about the kumhos tbh.. would be interesting to have a read if you have a link.

Good to know that its not just the assyms that have a problem with the side wall. Would definately agree with the fact that the assyms seem to last alot longer than the PS2's which seem to be a softer compound. Will just have to remember that the Assyms seem to take a few thousand miles to wear in :grin:

Who says PS2s have a softer compound than the F1 Asymmetrics?  :huh:

ME!!  :tongue: Well by my own experience anyway. PS2 as good as they are, seem to wear much quicker than the F1's.... not by much but a noticeable amount.

Ahh, OK.  So you have actually used PS2s before?  :huh:

Anyhow, when you get a mo, look on the sidewall of your Eagle F1s, and write down and post the following three readings - 'treadwear', 'traction' and 'temperature'.  I'll try and do the same with the PS2s and we can compare.  :wink:

Here we go,

Mich PS2     220 AA A
Goodie Assy 240 AA A
Kumho KU31 320 AA A

I know cos I have the Assys on the car and the other 2 are mounted on sets of wheels in the garage, hence it has allowed me to really back to back the 3 tyre types.

Taking away any price consideration or perceived advantage due to name,

in terms of wear best to worst:

Kumho, Goodyear, Michelin

Dry grip

Goodyear, 2= Kumho,Michelin

Wet grip

Kumho, Goodyear, Michelin

Now I know I only have the benefit, of actually using all these tyres on my car, rather than making an untested opinion, and I appreciate unlike the mighty RS4's 420HP, I only have a weedy 350HP, but it is only going through 2 wheels, so thay are taking a lot of the strain here, to put the wear rate into context, the PS2's go down to 3mm (I junk tyres then) at 6k miles, the Kumhos have covered 8K and have 6mm left and the Assys have covered 7k and have 5.5mm left.

Now interms of price 4 PS2's in my size of 235/35/19 and 275/30/19 cost £1010, the Assys £628, and the Kumhos £390, these are mail ordered prices, thats how I buy them.

Now, as I said, all my findings are subjective, and are my own opinions, has I have found them in real world driving actually using the tyres on my car, hence that is how I come to the original conclusions that I posted.

Members can draw there own conclusions, but I know what I'll open my wallet for.
Fortunately, I can afford to run any of these tyres, but I ain't going to burn cash on a product that does not perform even if its got the fat guy stamped on the side.



super write up  :smiley:

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #57 on: 01 March 2009, 18:23 »
Kumhos, the thinking mans tyre.
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #58 on: 01 March 2009, 20:39 »
Kumhos, the thinking mans tyre.

With my experience of GY Assyes, conti's & Kumho's on an oil burning A4 S-Line (235x40x18"), I would have to agree.

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #59 on: 02 March 2009, 17:55 »
Just got the car dropped off! 4 brand spanking new F1 assyms :evil: :evil: :evil:

Only 6000miles to wear them out :evil: Its going to be a exciting next 6months :grin: :grin: