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Offline Teutonic_Tamer

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #30 on: 25 February 2009, 17:02 »
A set of wheels I just bought came with FULLRUN tyres :grin:

I suspect that might be what happens in your underpants too!  :grin:  :grin:


Made in China, worth about 20p. How they ever got TUV and DOT approval I'll never know.. but they have.

Hmmmmm . . . are you sure they havn't just faked the TÜV and DOT approvals - afterall, China certainly aint shy of 'counterfeiting' anything.  I bet they would even claim that the Popes' sh!t is TÜV approved!  :laugh:

Seriously though, maybe check with the accreditation labs at TÜV Nord or TÜV Sud.

Apparently 'drifters' love them for their ability to break traction easily (especially when fitted backwards) and the masses of white smoke they produce.

Yebut - 'drifting' isn't exactly the correct way to go round a corner on the Queens Highways.  Let the old Bill catch you getting the tail out, and you'll be done for careless driving (just like motorcyclists who happen to 'pop' the odd wheelie).

Might have to slap them on and go do some donuts on the maccy d's carpark, innit.

Allrite then - but only if you are wearing a Burberry baseball cap, which hides greasy manky hair, and wear a white shell suit!  :grin:  :grin:
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #31 on: 25 February 2009, 17:04 »
What's the sportcackkkk???
Continental Sport Contact

I see.  My recently purchased GTI is on Dunlop SP SPORT 9000 225/45 R17 ZR.  Anybody got an opinion on these?  I haven't driven it on anything else, so I've no frame of reference.

Actually, the sportcackkk are actually the Dunlop SpotMaxx, which were OEM fitments on some 2006-2008 GTIs.  :sick:  :sick:  :sick:  :sick:

Not a very good tyre.  Quite hard tread rubber compound (meaning they don't grip), a weak carcass - and they actually suffer badly from 'static deformation' on certain cars, GTI included.  They are basically a 'half-way house' (read: botch job) development of the Dunlop ShyteMaxx SportMaxx, with half the tread pattern being directional, and the other half being asymmetric.  :sick:

I was going to recommend some Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s, but noticed you are on 17" rims, and the PS2s don't actually go down to that lowly size!  :grin:

So what are these then?  http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=12998162.124.24141&typ=397798&ranzahl=4&Breite=225&Herst=Michelin&Quer=45&Felge=17&Speed=W&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=10&Transport=P&F_F=&dsco=124&Achse=&LoadRange=

Well fook me.  Michelin must have only recently started the PS2s in 17" rim sizes.  When they first came out, they were only available in 18" and above.  So now all you 17"-ers can run some decent rubber too.

EDIT:  Yup, now on Michelins own website: www.michelin.co.uk/michelinuk/en/car-4x4-van/advantages/20070312100256.html
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #32 on: 25 February 2009, 17:52 »
TBH never really noticed much on my run down south on the A1 Friday evening... but didnt really venture over 70-80 (well ok maybe just for a short blast :evil:) So didnt notice much. Spent nearly all day Saturday driving round N.London which was stop start at best so didnt notice anything either.


Did spot the bluge on Sunday morning, drove round N.London again and didnt really notice anything. However I did decide to play it safe on my journey up the M1, sticking to 70mpg (with a great 32mpg average too :grin:). This is where it felt very slightly shaky compared to normal... it was only then thinking back that it was probably the same on the way down where the car felt a little unstable but I put it down to probably the incorrect tyre pressure which I was meant to check (but was running slightly late as usual :rolleyes:)


Was told by tyre guy it could pop at anytime!! He was supposed to pick up the car this morning... but forgot :undecided: Not sure what to make of the GSD2's now as he told me they were the newer version of the F1's.... Is he telling porkies??? :undecided:

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #33 on: 25 February 2009, 17:58 »
Used both the Assys and PS2's. I feel from my experience that the Assy is a better wet tyre without doubt, equal dry tyre and longer treadlife.

Had 3 PS2's suffer sidewall damage in the form of cuts from potholes, particularly when it was wet, and for this reason I would not purchase again.

So my vote is with the Assys. 

For those who are sick and tired (no pun) at premium brand tyre prices, the Kumho Ecsta KU31's are worth looking at. I have run them on my M3, along with PS1 and PS2 and now Assys, and without doubt the only thing budget about them is the price, they display better wet grip than both the Mich and Goodyears, similar dry grip and good treadlife, most people just will not try becuase of the name. But loads of EVO/Scooby/M3 drivers have switched and rave over them.

Not really heard much about the kumhos tbh.. would be interesting to have a read if you have a link.

Good to know that its not just the assyms that have a problem with the side wall. Would definately agree with the fact that the assyms seem to last alot longer than the PS2's which seem to be a softer compound. Will just have to remember that the Assyms seem to take a few thousand miles to wear in :grin:

Who says PS2s have a softer compound than the F1 Asymmetrics?  :huh:

ME!!  :tongue: Well by my own experience anyway. PS2 as good as they are, seem to wear much quicker than the F1's.... not by much but a noticeable amount.

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #34 on: 25 February 2009, 18:04 »
The doubters and 'will not touch with a barge pole brigade' are often flushed out, when they admit to never trying a tyre, rather they just go on brand snobbery and price, but those who have treid the tyres, I have seen a very high satisfaction level, 9 out of 10 saying they are very happy, and this mirrors my findings, I got my friend to switch from PS2's to Kumhos on his M3 before Christmas, and he is very pleased, and he really rags it, and his overall view is fantastic wet weather performance, not had enough warm days yet to form much else of an opinion.

I agree there are some peeps who may have their own prejudices, and who never actually try out a tyre (but that doesn't apply to me).

But one thing is absolutely certain, IF tyres like Kumhos or Eagle F1 Asymmetrics were as good as a few minor individuals 'claim' - then why are they not offered as standard OEM equipment on high performance cars such as the Bugatti Veyron, Audi RS models, or Porsches (which ALL have the PS2 as OEM standard fitments)?  :rolleyes:  Both Porsche and Audi RS cars make no compromises - particularly in 'handling' where tyres are without doubt THE most crucial component.

The only reason that Goodyears, and the majority of the other tyres mentioned in this thread are cheaper than the PS2s - is simply because they are not as good as the PS2.  And I am not just talking about actual 'performance' of the tyre, but also about the 'aftercare' of the actual tyre companies.  The 'customer service' from both Michelin and Continental is light-years better than other 'premium' brand companies, including Goodyear-Dunlop!

As always though, ETTO.

Didnt your RS4 come with pirelli p-zeros :huh: :huh: :rolleyes:

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #35 on: 25 February 2009, 18:24 »
I agree with you TT.  Kumho's are great tyres.
The worst brand of tyre is Michelin.  Full of production faults.

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #36 on: 25 February 2009, 18:42 »
Ok we get TT's drift, he's a Mich b!tch, but I'll take you to task here, the PS2 is past its sell by date, the F1 Assys is a better tyre, a lot of models were developed when the PS2 was king, and thats why manufacturers recommend them, then they do not change that through the life cycle, plus they are tied in with longterm contracts.  Lets be honest, Porsche is up the a*se of Conti cos its a German company and they work hand in hand, and no one thinks the Sport Contact 2 or 3 is as good as a PS2, F1 Assy.

Also from product design to model run out covers anything upto 8-10 years, and no way on earth is tyre technology standing still, so although the manufacturers tweak the brew over the life cycle of the tyre, like most things, the game is moved on, and eventually better products come to market. The PS3 has gone very quiet, maybe the economic situation, maybe its not performing, so the old PS2 soldiers on, with large rim selection getting harder to find and more expensive.

On the Kumho front, yep would agree some of their stuff was weak, but I'd be surprised if your Polo was running KU31's, cos if it was then your findings are at odds with most high performance car drivers views who use them, to label all their tyres as dangerous was like Clarkson saying all lorry drivers are rapists, cheap laugh but ridiculous.

Lastly  I stand corrected I did not mean bead, but carcass plies, well spotted.   :wink:
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #37 on: 25 February 2009, 18:59 »
wow just had a look on that camskill tyre link from earlier in this post page 1 i think and there prices are really good and postage costs are ok aswell, worth a look id say guys  :grin:

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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #38 on: 25 February 2009, 20:11 »
I usually price them up at www.mytyres.co.uk
Very fresh tyres from Germany.

Often though our local chap near the station in Kendal is cheaper.
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Re: New tyres time..
« Reply #39 on: 25 February 2009, 21:53 »
Until I bought the ED30 which came with Conti Sport Contact 2s, I have been running my VW's with Michelin Tyres for the last 14 years. Yup, thats 14 years of VW's and Michelins (apart from a short spell with a set of Yokohamas on the MKII GTI). I have been more than happy with Michelin. However, after reading the EVO 2007 tyre test I replaced the Contis with Goodyear F1 Asymmetrics. They have been quieter than the Contis, have improved wet weather grip and have lasted better as well. The only negative is the tread pattern on Conti's was nicer to look at......... :rolleyes:

The Goodyears came out top overall with the Vredesteins second (but top for feel) the Kumhos came 7th and Michelin 5th. With regards to wet weather braking, Goodyear 1st, Kumho 5th and Michelin 7th.

Without being a tyre snob, I choose the winning tyre. I don't want to pay my hard earned money and get some mediocre tyre or have the time to try a range of different tyres. ( I might get my rims damaged by the fitters again  :sick:) Evo mag mag have the time and facilities to try a range of tyres and cut out the hard work for us drivers.
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