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Offline AlanD

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Re: Filters
« Reply #20 on: 23 February 2009, 08:26 »
Yeah, will do. Got lots of weekend work coming up so its not getting it till the 7th :(

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Re: Filters
« Reply #21 on: 23 February 2009, 16:10 »
How much is the OEM filter from the stealers?

£21 was quoted by someone else on anothe forum

Jesus.....I didnt realise that the government had officially given VW a license to print money  :laugh:

Guess I too am now going onto the aftermarket filter route......

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Re: Filters
« Reply #22 on: 02 March 2009, 18:00 »
It was this one that put me off: clicky

....To be frank, I find T_T's opinions not 100% reliable - Some are and some aren't. His theory and logic is usually spot-on but doesn't always apply - In My Opinion. But please don't misunderstand me - T_T contributes a lot of good advice and help and always in his truest (and passionate and angry) belief, but....We each have to make up our own minds.

I must buy you some flowers next time we meet!  :kiss:  :grin:

Regarding the ITG filter, the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned, but how come myself and others with ITG filters haven't had any MAF failings?

I honestly don't know.  But that is like asking someone to prove a negative.  However, with MAFs, they don't usually fail in the traditonal 'light switch' sense (ie, going from perfectly OK to totaly shagged).  Most MAFs with oiled air filters will just get progressively worse - and that actual degridation probably won't actually be detected by the driver of the car.  Furthermore, a MAF which is even quite badly oil tarnished usually does not throw an error code, so, technically, when a stealer or whoever plugs in their VAS505* or VAG-COM - then nothing will be picked up.  Only through careful data loging, can the MAF be detected as starting to go duff - and how many dub stealers do live data logging?

OH, and I hope you haven't just tempted fate!  :lipsrsealed:

I'll be changing my ITG filter at 60k miles anyway because cleaning it properly is a bit of a hassle.

Exactly.  To correctly clean and correctly re-oil these types of filters is a pain in the ar$e - quite 'labour intensive'.

£50 for 60k miles of more efficient air filtration isn't expensive imo.

But it is NOT more efficient filtration.  Granted, your ITG may be very slightly more efficient at allowing a freer flow of air, but I strongly dispute that ANY open-cell type of filter is more efficient at removing contaminents than a paper element filter.  And, yes, they are fairly cheap - but I still honestly think that any kind of reduction of filtration efficiency is bad for the long term health of the engine.  I've wasted far too many hours of my life rebuilding two stroke engines to know that K&N types of filters really are bad for engines.

ETTO, though.

To anyone who prefers to keep an oem paper filter, I'd say throw it away and replace it at every single service (either 10k or 20k miles).

:afro:

Very, very sound advice. :afro:
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Re: Filters
« Reply #23 on: 02 March 2009, 18:02 »
How much is the OEM filter from the stealers?

Parts only - £13.10 retail, £7.23 trade - all plus vat.

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Re: Filters
« Reply #24 on: 02 March 2009, 18:05 »
How much is the OEM filter from the stealers?

Andy

....Dunno but I guess you're thinking how many you'd need to buy in a 60k mile period - So you can compare costs with an ITG?

Well, if you replaced the OEM paper filter every 10k miles, then it is only £72.30.  But the manufacturers recommended schedule only calls for the filter element to be replaced every 40k miles - so even if you halfed that to every 20k miles, you would still be up on the ITG - with the guarantee of a healthy engine and a healthy MAF.
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Re: Filters
« Reply #25 on: 02 March 2009, 18:09 »
Do also remember that the resistance to flow through the oem filter is higher than both an ITG or K&N one. Less intake airflow resistance equates to sharper throttle response and probably the odd extra hp.

But sadly, you forget that all FSI engines are not 'throttled'.  :nerd:  :smug:

And the standard paper element is NOT restrictive.  If it were restrictive, then it would get ripped to shreds, sucked into the engine, burned and spat out the tailpipes as ash!  :smug:

If anyone really is desparate to improve on any resistance in the inlet tract, then swap the standard intercooler for an S3 one, or just add a Forge twintercooler.
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